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Old 06-19-2014, 05:47 PM  
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2014-2015 NBA off-season Lebron goes home thread.
I will update this when the schedule is announced in a couple of weeks, but I will open with the new uniforms for the Charlotte Hornets below.

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Old 07-11-2014, 06:03 PM   #1546
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If you're Cleveland, isn't Gasol + Wiggins better than Love?
Probably not.

I'd rather bring in Love, and find a big man who can't score but can defend. Call it a day. Gasol's days are numbered. Wiggins will struggle for at least two years then I expect him to take off.
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:05 PM   #1547
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If Wiggins does play tonight they have to sign him first and then he can't be traded for 30 days. They also risk an injury ruining any trade. I would think if Wiggins plays then he won't be involved in any trade talks.

I've always thought Wiggins had Durant-ish like potential.


What team wouldn't want a Durant/LeBron combo on their team.
I think from a raw skill set, yes. I don't think Wiggins has or ever will have the kind of killer instinct Durant has. But this role as third sidekick is absolutely perfect for him especially with the best facilitator in the game, Lebron. And I like his fit a lot better than Kevin Love. I think the Cavs are going to have a LOT of work to do getting Kyrie and Waiters to play less selfish basketball and within a system, let alone play a balanced game of defense and offense. So I think a guy like Wiggins who will probably be an unselfish system player early on in his career is exactly what they need.
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:07 PM   #1548
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Why do people seem to think Dwayne Wade sucks? He's had productive as shit years the last two years. He's banged up, not what he used to be, but he's easily a Top 20 player.
Think it has more to do with having a guy making that much money that has to sit every other game just to keep his legs fresh in the playoffs.
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:08 PM   #1549
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Probably not.

I'd rather bring in Love, and find a big man who can't score but can defend. Call it a day. Gasol's days are numbered. Wiggins will struggle for at least two years then I expect him to take off.
And wiggins will just be maturing then, a couple years of him and Lebron at top and then as Lebron ages wiggins takes over and helps get him a couple more rings...perfect scenario.

Simmons should have included that in his genius article.

If they keep wiggins they might already have his successor, with Lebron still in his prime.

He might win six.
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:09 PM   #1550
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I think from a raw skill set, yes. I don't think Wiggins has or ever will have the kind of killer instinct Durant has. But this role as third sidekick is absolutely perfect for him especially with the best facilitator in the game, Lebron. And I like his fit a lot better than Kevin Love. I think the Cavs are going to have a LOT of work to do getting Kyrie and Waiters to play less selfish basketball and within a system, let alone play a balanced game of defense and offense. So I think a guy like Wiggins who will probably be an unselfish system player early on in his career is exactly what they need.
Maybe he should do more fist pumps? Do the double guns when he makes the and one like Embiid? Tell people he kills lions?? I'm not sure where this stigmata comes from. By all accounts Wiggins was one of, if not the hardest working player on the team, and a great teammate. Just because you aren't flailing your arms around showboating after a dunk all the time doesn't mean you don't care or don't have a killer instinct. I seem to remember Wiggins going ape shit at the end of the game on Florida to almost win the game, a run I've never seen any KU player due in my entire life. Just drilled everything, completely took the game over at the end
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I don't think I'd trade Wiggins. Obviously the Cavs won't likely win a championship next year without adding a top player, but I don't think the better chance for one year is worth the risk of giving him (and all his potential) up.
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I don't think I'd trade Wiggins. Obviously the Cavs won't likely win a championship next year without adding a top player, but I don't think the better chance for one year is worth the risk of giving him (and all his potential) up.
I agree. Next season will be their year.hopefully they get everyone else on the same page this year.
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:16 PM   #1553
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I don't think I'd trade Wiggins. Obviously the Cavs won't likely win a championship next year without adding a top player, but I don't think the better chance for one year is worth the risk of giving him (and all his potential) up.




How many top players does he need?
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How many top players does he need?
Well Jordan needed 2 or 3, so just having Kyrie Irving probably isn't going to do it. And as much as I think Kobe is a ball hogging shit machine at times, he did only need 1 or 2.
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Maybe he should do more fist pumps? Do the double guns when he makes the and one like Embiid? Tell people he kills lions?? I'm not sure where this stigmata comes from. By all accounts Wiggins was one of, if not the hardest working player on the team, and a great teammate. Just because you aren't flailing your arms around showboating after a dunk all the time doesn't mean you don't care or don't have a killer instinct. I seem to remember Wiggins going ape shit at the end of the game on Florida to almost win the game, a run I've never seen any KU player due in my entire life. Just drilled everything, completely took the game over at the end of the game.
Wiggins in college could take over games any time he wanted to. He hesitates at times, sometimes plays too unselfish. He could develop that part of his game, but I feel like in most instances, you have it or you don't. It won't keep him from being an excellent player one day. At least for now, I don't think you want him to be "the guy" and I think even down the road, you may want to pair him up with a closer.
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Well Jordan needed 2 or 3, so just having Kyrie Irving probably isn't going to do it. And as much as I think Kobe is a ball hogging shit machine at times, he did only need 1 or 2.


Who did Jordan have that was a top player other than Pippen?
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They weren't top players

And he won multiple titles without either.
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Wiggins in college could take over games any time he wanted to. He hesitates at times, sometimes plays too unselfish. He could develop that part of his game, but I feel like in most instances, you have it or you don't. It won't keep him from being an excellent player one day. At least for now, I don't think you want him to be "the guy" and I think even down the road, you may want to pair him up with a closer.
IMO, Wiggins made the wrong college choice from a productivity standpoint. The Bill Self offense is about the worst possible offense Wiggins would be suited to. If he played for UNC or UK he would have averaged 20+ PPG a game. I don't think pairing him up with Lebron is going to be great for his long term development, but it would be good for the Cavs. I'd like to see Wiggins traded and bloom on his own, show everybody that he can be THE ALL STAR, and get people to stop talking about this "he's not an alpha dog" nonsense. I think he should just start telling people he killed grizzly bears in Canada when he was growing up. I think the media would eat that up, gush at his "tenacity" or some dumb shit.
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They weren't top players

And he won multiple titles without either.
Kukoc was generally regarded as the top foreign player. Rodman was a ****ing monster.

And he did. True. No one is mj though.
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