Chiefs Comparing this team to the 2003 squad. - Page 5

Direckshun · 10-05-2013, 02:14 PM

It's a pretty good piece, and inspires an even better idea.

How does this team compare to the Trent Green 9-0 squad?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/10/0...b_source=pubv1

The Kansas City Chiefs Then and Now: 2003 vs. 2013
By Jason Seibel
Oct 5th, 2013 at 8:00 am

The last time the Kansas City Chiefs were 4-0 was October 5, 2003. The team was made up of players who went by different names, but looking at that roster there were more similarities than one might think.

The team starts with a quarterback, and the guy leading the Chiefs that year was #10, Trent Green. Green is considered by many to be the best quarterback to head the Chiefs since Joe Montana wore #19 in Arrowhead. There are a lot of Chiefs fans in the Kingdom who would say that the Chiefs haven’t fielded a decent quarterback since Green called the signals in the BBQ City.

But, as history has a tendancy to do, the repeat is on. How much does this 2013 team have in common with the last, best team the Chiefs fielded?

Trent Green’s jersey still lives alive and well on Sundays at Arrowhead. But, how were his numbers? Currently Alex Smith is on pace to pass for 3828 yards, 28 TDs and 8 INTs. In the 2003 season, Green threw for 4039 yard, 24 TDs and 12 INTs. The similarities in the two QBs is uncanny. However, I’ve never heard Trent Green saddled with the moniker “game manager.” I didn’t hear the complaining from the Kingdom before or since about not “growing our own QB” when Green was brought to KC.

But, let’s not stop at the QB. Who was Trent throwing the ball to? The Chiefs leading receiver in 2003 (not named Tony Gonzalez) was Eddie Kennison. He caught 56 passes for 853 yards and five touchdowns. Right now, Dwayne Bowe is on target for 52 catches, 592 yards and 8 TDs. Those numbers are pretty close to the same.

Moving through the rest of the team, we see that 2003 Chiefs had a prolific punt/kick returner in the “X-Factor” Dante Hall. After Dexter McCluster’s huge, 89 yard punt return last Sunday against the New York Giants, he threw up the “X” as a show of respect. I got chills. Hall made the Pro Bowl and broke records in 2003. I’m not saying DMC is quite there yet, but the similarities are there.

Probably the biggest comparison that can be made between the two teams, is the guy playing running back. Ten years ago, the man lining up in the position was the future hall of famer, Priest Holmes. Holmes had a breakout year in 2003 rushing for 1420 yards on 320 attempts and scoring a ridiculous 27 TDs, which at the time was the single season record. But, that’s not all he did. He also led all receivers in catches with 74 out of the backfield and added 690 yards to his “from scrimmage” total bringing his total offensive production to 2110. Oddly, Priest had no TD receptions in 2003.

When looking at the Chiefs current running back, Jamaal Charles, I see a lot of Holmes in him. The two are quite different runners, but the way they are utilized in the offense is similar. JC is on target for 280 carries and 1156 yards on the ground as well as 92 receptions and 852 yards through the air. As far as scoring goes, Charles is on target for 16 total TDs, eight on the ground and eight on receptions. The numbers are eerily similar to those posted by Holmes during his epic 2003 season.

The final similarity between the current Chiefs and their counterparts ten years in the past is the coach. Both were successful coaches for the Philadelphia Eagles, and both led their teams to the Superbowl only to lose. As yet another tie between these two teams, current head coach Andy Reid called former coach Dick Vermeil about the Kansas City Chiefs job shortly after it was offered to him. The two coaches had known each other for years and it makes the similarities all too close.

For those of you who remember, the Chiefs went 9-0 that season before being knocked off their pedestal in Week 11 against the Cincinnati Bengals. The Chiefs dropped three of their last seven games before facing the Indianapolis Colts in the Divisional Round of the NFL Playoffs on January 11, 2004.

In a game dubbed “The No-Punt Bowl” both teams scored or turned the ball over on every single possession. The Peyton Manning led Colts scored last and bested the Chiefs by a final score of 38-31. This was a tough loss to take, but happened because of one reason. Unlike the 2013 version of the team, in 2003 the defense wasn’t that great.

Dick Vermeil prided himself on his high flying offensive attacks. He had to because he had to put up enough points to cover for a suspect defense. That unit was exposed by the “cyborg like” Manning. That won’t happen to the team this year. While the offense is only getting better, the defense is already firing on all cylinders. Reid may not be known for his defense, but he’s brought in somebody who can get the job done.

So what do you think, Addicts? With all the similarities, does this Chiefs team go 9-0 before losing? Is it possible for this team to go 13-3? Most say the team will lose against Denver, but are unsure who else can beat the Chiefs. The end of the season is a long way off, but right now, 4-0 for the first time in a decade feels pretty damn good.

Raiderhater · 10-05-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Kennison and Morton were pretty damn good receivers.

If you are talking about Morton in his Detroit days, then I can agree with this.

Raiderhater · 10-05-2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

What always drove me crazy about Green were turnovers. He had a knack for throwing pick sixes too.
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And that is the difference between Green and Smith that puts Green outside of the game manager mold, IMO. Green was aggressive. He would attack.

**notorious** · 10-05-2013, 09:24 PM

From what I heard, Morton loved to catch.

Raiderhater · 10-05-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

From what I heard, Morton loved to catch.

I had completely forgotten about that.

Deberg_1990 · 10-05-2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

And that is the difference between Green and Smith that puts Green outside of the game manager mold, IMO. Green was aggressive. He would attack.

True, but he was overly aggressive at times too. I truly believe he cost us games at times. but alot of that was Vermeil and Saunders aggressive attitude on offense too.
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Raiderhater · 10-05-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

True, but he was overly aggressive at times too. I truly believe he cost us games at times. but alot of that was Vermeil and Saunders aggressive attitude on offense too.
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No argument from me on any of that.

**Buehler445** · 10-05-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by a pp roach

put this d against that o

that's a tough one, really. green, gonzalez, holmes, t rich that offensive line vs houston, hali, johnson, berry, flowers, poe.

then this offense absolutely torches that defense for big yardage up and down the field.

i say 2013 chiefs win

It's not so much green et al vs 2013 defense, it's Roaf Et al vs the 2013 defense.

It's hard to remember just how ****ing good those guys were. Roaf and Shields in particular were all time greats kind of good.

Deberg_1990 · 10-05-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Roaf and Shields in particular were all time greats kind of good.

And Waters, Weigman and Tait, while not on that level, were top guys at their position for at least a few years. Just an incredible line.

milkman · 10-05-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

What always drove me crazy about Green were turnovers. He had a knack for throwing pick sixes too.
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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

And that is the difference between Green and Smith that puts Green outside of the game manager mold, IMO. Green was aggressive. He would attack.

The primary reason for the turnovers was that Saunders' offense didn't allow audibles, and it kept them in bad plays.

dj56dt58 · 10-05-2013, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

And Waters, Weigman and Tait, while not on that level, were top guys at their position for at least a few years. Just an incredible line.

Then you throw in the fact that priest was a great pass blocker and gonzo could block as could jason dunn..shit green threw some great blocks himself

**Easy 6** · 10-05-2013, 10:28 PM

I'm going to keep reading, but "tendancy"... a typo that soon in?

Siebel needs some polishing...

Deberg_1990 · 10-05-2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Priest is still probably my favorite Chief to watch of my life. I loved that guy. But he's no Jamal Charles.

Kind of forgotten about now, but I remember Priests first season in KC, 2001, he wasn't technically the starting RB when the season began. Tony Richardson was. I don't think they made Priest the starter until week 3 or so..

**Easy 6** · 10-05-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I disagree with the notion that Trent Green was not a game manager.

That offense's, and Green's success, was fueled by the O-Line.

With just an average O-Line, we would not be having this discussion.

Agreed on all... that line was born on another planet, insanely good.

Anytime Green and Holmes get plaudits somewhere, they need to stop and profusely thank that line.

Jamie · 10-06-2013, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Larry Johnson dominated behind Priest's O-Line.

When the line became merely average, LJ started to suck.

Not to mention Derrick Blaylock. Behind that line: 723 yards at 4.6 yards per carry. Rest of his career: 97 yards at 2.3 yards per carry.

Chiefs Pantalones · 10-06-2013, 01:24 AM

If Charles got a chance to run behind that OL he'd have the single season rushing record after 13 games.

10-05-2013, 02:14 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	Comparing this team to the 2003 squad. It's a pretty good piece, and inspires an even better idea. How does this team compare to the Trent Green 9-0 squad? http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/10/0...b_source=pubv1 The Kansas City Chiefs Then and Now: 2003 vs. 2013 By Jason Seibel Oct 5th, 2013 at 8:00 am The last time the Kansas City Chiefs were 4-0 was October 5, 2003. The team was made up of players who went by different names, but looking at that roster there were more similarities than one might think. The team starts with a quarterback, and the guy leading the Chiefs that year was #10, Trent Green. Green is considered by many to be the best quarterback to head the Chiefs since Joe Montana wore #19 in Arrowhead. There are a lot of Chiefs fans in the Kingdom who would say that the Chiefs haven’t fielded a decent quarterback since Green called the signals in the BBQ City. But, as history has a tendancy to do, the repeat is on. How much does this 2013 team have in common with the last, best team the Chiefs fielded? Trent Green’s jersey still lives alive and well on Sundays at Arrowhead. But, how were his numbers? Currently Alex Smith is on pace to pass for 3828 yards, 28 TDs and 8 INTs. In the 2003 season, Green threw for 4039 yard, 24 TDs and 12 INTs. The similarities in the two QBs is uncanny. However, I’ve never heard Trent Green saddled with the moniker “game manager.” I didn’t hear the complaining from the Kingdom before or since about not “growing our own QB” when Green was brought to KC. But, let’s not stop at the QB. Who was Trent throwing the ball to? The Chiefs leading receiver in 2003 (not named Tony Gonzalez) was Eddie Kennison. He caught 56 passes for 853 yards and five touchdowns. Right now, Dwayne Bowe is on target for 52 catches, 592 yards and 8 TDs. Those numbers are pretty close to the same. Moving through the rest of the team, we see that 2003 Chiefs had a prolific punt/kick returner in the “X-Factor” Dante Hall. After Dexter McCluster’s huge, 89 yard punt return last Sunday against the New York Giants, he threw up the “X” as a show of respect. I got chills. Hall made the Pro Bowl and broke records in 2003. I’m not saying DMC is quite there yet, but the similarities are there. Probably the biggest comparison that can be made between the two teams, is the guy playing running back. Ten years ago, the man lining up in the position was the future hall of famer, Priest Holmes. Holmes had a breakout year in 2003 rushing for 1420 yards on 320 attempts and scoring a ridiculous 27 TDs, which at the time was the single season record. But, that’s not all he did. He also led all receivers in catches with 74 out of the backfield and added 690 yards to his “from scrimmage” total bringing his total offensive production to 2110. Oddly, Priest had no TD receptions in 2003. When looking at the Chiefs current running back, Jamaal Charles, I see a lot of Holmes in him. The two are quite different runners, but the way they are utilized in the offense is similar. JC is on target for 280 carries and 1156 yards on the ground as well as 92 receptions and 852 yards through the air. As far as scoring goes, Charles is on target for 16 total TDs, eight on the ground and eight on receptions. The numbers are eerily similar to those posted by Holmes during his epic 2003 season. The final similarity between the current Chiefs and their counterparts ten years in the past is the coach. Both were successful coaches for the Philadelphia Eagles, and both led their teams to the Superbowl only to lose. As yet another tie between these two teams, current head coach Andy Reid called former coach Dick Vermeil about the Kansas City Chiefs job shortly after it was offered to him. The two coaches had known each other for years and it makes the similarities all too close. For those of you who remember, the Chiefs went 9-0 that season before being knocked off their pedestal in Week 11 against the Cincinnati Bengals. The Chiefs dropped three of their last seven games before facing the Indianapolis Colts in the Divisional Round of the NFL Playoffs on January 11, 2004. In a game dubbed “The No-Punt Bowl” both teams scored or turned the ball over on every single possession. The Peyton Manning led Colts scored last and bested the Chiefs by a final score of 38-31. This was a tough loss to take, but happened because of one reason. Unlike the 2013 version of the team, in 2003 the defense wasn’t that great. Dick Vermeil prided himself on his high flying offensive attacks. He had to because he had to put up enough points to cover for a suspect defense. That unit was exposed by the “cyborg like” Manning. That won’t happen to the team this year. While the offense is only getting better, the defense is already firing on all cylinders. Reid may not be known for his defense, but he’s brought in somebody who can get the job done. So what do you think, Addicts? With all the similarities, does this Chiefs team go 9-0 before losing? Is it possible for this team to go 13-3? Most say the team will lose against Denver, but are unsure who else can beat the Chiefs. The end of the season is a long way off, but right now, 4-0 for the first time in a decade feels pretty damn good.
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