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Old 03-09-2013, 05:48 PM   #1
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If you can dominate the line of scrimmage, it's like your side of the ball is playing downhill against your opponent. It's a legit game-changer.

It's much, much tougher to do that on the defensive side of the ball, where you're starting out outnumbered, outsized and with more elaborate schemes being run at you every year.

If you're a clogger, all you have to do is to be incredibly hard to move. That's very important but it doesn't require a tremendous amount of skill or technique.

But if you're expected to play as a penetrating three-tech or as a five-tech in general, you're not only responsible for more space, you're going up against tackles more often and you're expected to do far more things, such as disrupting the pocket while still anchoring in the run game. It requires tremendous strength, athleticism, and technique.

In short, it's a game-changer in your favor and it's very, very hard to do.
That doesn't make them more important than the other 18 or 19 positions on the field.

Teams that spend high choices on DTs tend to do worse than teams that spend their high choices elsewhere.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:58 PM   #2
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That doesn't make them more important than the other 18 or 19 positions on the field.
Welp, you fail to explain why so I guess I'm just going to reiterate my previous post.
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:40 PM   #3
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Welp, you fail to explain why so I guess I'm just going to reiterate my previous post.
DTs need to be big and strong. Almost every DT in the league is over 300 pounds and could throw me across a room. A freak athlete at DT will not be able to positively affect his team to the same extent that a freak athlete at DE, LB, RB, WR, etc would. Drafting one first overall just makes no sense to me.

Here's something I posted earlier in a Geno thread, it's the percentage of top 5 picks over the last 20 years at different positions that went on to have a winning career during the time they were with the team that drafted them:

LB 67%
CB 50%
QB 42%
RB 36 %
OT 21%
DE 20%
DT 11%
WR 10%
S 0%
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:16 PM   #4
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DTs need to be big and strong. Almost every DT in the league is over 300 pounds and could throw me across a room. A freak athlete at DT will not be able to positively affect his team to the same extent that a freak athlete at DE, LB, RB, WR, etc would. Drafting one first overall just makes no sense to me.

Here's something I posted earlier in a Geno thread, it's the percentage of top 5 picks over the last 20 years at different positions that went on to have a winning career during the time they were with the team that drafted them:

LB 67%
CB 50%
QB 42%
RB 36 %
OT 21%
DE 20%
DT 11%
WR 10%
S 0%
That's pretty much just correlation, not causation. This clearly seems to argue that corner and linebacker is the way to win in this league.

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Old 03-09-2013, 07:59 PM   #5
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That's pretty much just correlation, not causation. This clearly seems to argue that corner and linebacker is the way to win in this league.

So, explain why they correlate.
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So, explain why they correlate.
How about getting a real sample size and getting back to me.
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:09 PM   #7
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How about getting a real sample size and getting back to me.
20 years of top 5 picks is 100 players. It's fairly difficult to get a larger sample size that would pertain to such a high pick.
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