Prisco rates draftees by position

[Mr. Laz]

i'll just copy the relevant positions... for the whole list follow the link

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nflTop Prospects:

Defensive ends

Top Five
1. Mario Williams, N.C. State
The skinny: He reminds scouts of Julius Peppers, only he may be better. Honest. This guy is a load, setting a school record with 14.5 sacks last season -- including four versus Maryland -- and an ACC mark with 24 tackles for losses. He has good size, range and pass-rush ability. He's the best defensive lineman in the draft.

2. Kamerion Wimbley, Florida State
The skinny: An above-average pass rusher who has a good first step. At 250 pounds, he's a little light, but he has the frame to accommodate more weight. Can play as a rush linebacker in a 3-4 or as a defensive end in a 4-3. Think DeMarcus Ware.

3. Tamba Hali, Penn State
The skinny: He didn't run well in his workout, which will knock him down some. But he's an effective pass rusher who makes up for his lack of speed with quickness and, as a converted defensive tackle, is solid versus the run.

4. Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
The skinny: The Eagles' MVP, he finished with a school-record 37.5 sacks. He has more athletic ability than Wimbley but also has occasional lapses. He has a good burst and is outstanding at the loop stunt. Uses his hands very well. Wasn't really himself after suffering a high-ankle sprain in the season opener.

5. Manny Lawson, N.C. State
The skinny: A former linebacker, he helped himself with a 4.48 in the 40 at the February combine. He projects as a perfect pass rusher in a 3-4, able to beat offensive linemen with his speed. But his lack of bulk could be a concern for 4-3 defensive coordinators, with opponents determined to run at him.

Player on the rise:
N.C. State's Lawson put on a show at the combine, running a 4.48 40 and finishing with the fastest shuttle time. Speed never was an issue with Lawson; size is, with scouts hopeful he can add weight to his 6-5 frame. One big plus: He blocked six punts in his college career.

Player on the decline:
Penn State's Hali. The Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year did little of consequence at the Senior Bowl, then flubbed his workout for pro scouts -- running 4.88 despite losing weight. Hali still is highly regarded, but not as highly as he was two months ago.

Sleeper
Chris Gucong, Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo. Winner of the Buchanon award, given annually to the best Division I-AA defensive player. He's undersized, but he will fight to make plays -- and he made a lot of them, with 41 sacks the past two years.

Overrated
Elvis Dumervil, Louisville. He led the nation with 20 sacks last season, including six in the season opener against Kentucky, but his size kills the poor guy. "When's the last time you saw a 5-11 defensive end in the pros?" asked one player personnel director. His team doesn't have Dumervil on its draft board.

Underrated
Mark Anderson, Alabama. Don't look for him in the first round. He won't be there. But he helped his chances of making it to the first day with an extraordinary combine, running 4.68, a 42-inch vertical leap and the second fastest shuttle of all defensive linemen. Needs to mature.

Positional assessment:
It's a good group of players; not a great one -- though there's one special player at the top of the board. You can find depth here, but you better be careful.





Defensive tackles

Top Five
1. Brodrick Bunkley, Florida State
The skinny: He opened a lot of eyes by benching 225 pounds 44 times at the combine. He's strong, quick and effective -- a solid run stopper who can pressure the pocket. Had a school-record 25 tackles for losses last year. With his strength and ability he may be better suited to playing nose tackle.

2. Haloti Ngata, Oregon
The skinny: He's huge -- with some scouts wondering if his weight becomes a problem. Flashy. Very inconsistent. Can be very effective on the nose in a 3-4. A good tackler whose size was a factor on special teams. He blocked six kicks.

3. Claude Wroten, LSU
The skinny: On the field he's similar to Bunkley; in fact, one scout believed he's the most talented defensive tackle. He has great up-field explosion and is powerful. A physical player who can change directions and be disruptive. Can play on the edge. Hurt by laziness and a Jan. 4 arrest that had him kicked out of the Senior Bowl.

4. Gabe Watson, Michigan
The skinny: Massive tackle who can be dominant when he wants to be. But that's the problem: He's too inconsistent. It's tough to find players his size, but his play doesn't always match his bulk.

5. John McCargo, N.C. State
The skinny: A big, smart player who has the ability to dominate. One problem: He can be inconsistent. He missed six games last year because of a foot injury and had a so-so combine. With the right coach and the right system he could be special.

Player on the rise:
N.C. State's McCargo will go to a club looking for a 3-4 nose tackle. He doesn't appear big enough or athletic enough to play in a 4-3, but he's solid against the run and an effective pass rusher. Remember, defensive tackles are valued this time of year -- sometimes overvalued.

Player on the decline:
Michigan's Watson was benched his senior year for laziness, and, as one assistant said, "if that happens in college how do you think he responds when he's making millions of dollars?" I don't know, either, but his stock is down. Coaches worry about the guy's motor.

Sleeper
Steve Williams, NW Missouri State. A transfer from Indiana, he helped his team set a school record for fewest rushing yards allowed per game (94). He has great size but needs to work on his strength. Looked good at the Las Vegas Classic.

Overrated
Orien Harris, Miami. Scouts are concerned that he plays too high and doesn't have a good work ethic. Not a lot of production, either, and there are lingering questions about his toughness and desire. "He's just not a very good worker," said one NFC scout.

Underrated
Kyle Williams, LSU. He's always been overshadowed in college -- first by Marcus Spears, then Claude Wroten -- but he's a tough guy who never quits, and he was more productive than Wroten. Doesn't have great athletic ability but is fiercely determined. Must fit in the right situation.

Positional assessment:
Often you find a defensive tackle in the top 10 draft choices; sometimes in the top five. That probably won't happen this year, thanks to a group that is little more than adequate.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Explain how Wesley is a bust with these stats?

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def

2005 Kansas City Chiefs 16 82 65.0 17 0 6 106 17.7 51 0 2

2005 Dallas Cowboys 16 81 69.0 12 2.5 3 52 17.3 46 1 7

When one is Wesley and the other the vaunted Roy Williams of Dallas?

85 tackles vs 81, 6 int vs 3 no sacks but come on he's not the weak link on this team.

Dave

If there was a stat on how many times a player got out of position Greg Wesley would lead that too.........He also gets cheap INT's sometimes from being in the wrong spot.

[Coogs]

Maybe it is just me. but the more I read about this draft, the less I am impressed with the top tier talent.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Compared to our current crop of DLmen and CBs he is a probowler. IMO we need to address both of these first before we worry about safety.

He is at least passable on one of the worst Ds ever. The other two positions ugghhh

Dave

A probowler?

1) You're blinded by how pathetic you percieve our line to be. Before Sammy Knight, we easily had the worst safeties in the league.

2) Wesley is not a probowler in any way, shape, or form. No matter how you look at it. He's a safety on a team that set, or nearly set, records for plays over 20 and over 50 yards in not one, but THREE, consecutive seasons. He's not only not passable, he's one of THE reasons this was one of the worst D's ever.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Maybe it is just me. but the more I read about this draft, the less I am impressed with the top tier talent.

I wouldn't agree with that. I think there's about 5-7 real top notch players. Reggie Bush, Vernon Davis, Mario Williams would head that list.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I wouldn't agree with that. I think there's about 5-7 real top notch players. Reggie Bush, Vernon Davis, Mario Williams would head that list.

And after that 5-7 players, everyone seems to have some sort of major question mark. While this draft may have some real good players throught the first couple of rounds, it does not seem like a draft that will yeild a lot of studs. Kind of like the year we drafted 6th and grabbed Sims.

[Mecca]

Most drafts are like this, once you get past about 10 everyone has some form of a question mark.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Most drafts are like this, once you get past about 10 everyone has some form of a question mark.

I know. This one just seems a bit shallower than most.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If there was a stat on how many times a player got out of position Greg Wesley would lead that too.........He also gets cheap INT's sometimes from being in the wrong spot.

Mark this date on the calendar.

I agree wholeheartedly with this post!

[Rain Man]

Screw height. Give me Dumervil.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Screw height. Give me Dumervil.

As a situational/backup player, sure I'd take him. As a starter, not so much.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by SideWinder

Mark this date on the calendar.

I agree wholeheartedly with this post!

Bah... you and i have been saying this about wesley for how long?


i suppose we can let Mecca on the bandwagon ... better late than never.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Laz

Bah... you and i have been saying this about wesley for how long?


i suppose we can let Mecca on the bandwagon ... better late than never.

Hold on there, sonny. I've been carrying on about our safeties since Vermeil arrived.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

A probowler?

1) You're blinded by how pathetic you percieve our line to be. Before Sammy Knight, we easily had the worst safeties in the league.

2) Wesley is not a probowler in any way, shape, or form. No matter how you look at it. He's a safety on a team that set, or nearly set, records for plays over 20 and over 50 yards in not one, but THREE, consecutive seasons. He's not only not passable, he's one of THE reasons this was one of the worst D's ever.

I hear ya man. I'm not a big fan of Wesley either. I mean he puts up the numbers, but its all the little things he can't do which best describes why the guys sucks. I can handle a change for once, especially at the safety position.
I want a guy back there that can take charge. A guy that is smart, instinctive, fearless. Somebody who can not only lay the wood, but cover a majority of the field. somebody that can play deep. Wesley is none of that imo.

I do agree. He is a big reason why our pass defense sucked all those years Vermeil was here. I not only hold him accountable entirely, but even Warfield, McCleon and Bartee. But definately Wesley contributed to poor pass defenses.

I think we are making baby steps to making our secondary better. We got rid of Warfield. We brought in Lenny Walls, Chris Johnson, and I do anticipate the Chiefs will draft a CB in the 2nd round. But first and foremost what I would like to see is us address the need of passrushing. I like to see a dominant passrusher here first, cornerback second, then take a FS in the 3rd round. Im with ya on the getting another safety, I just feel a passrush is more important.

If we can address our passrush with the 20th pick, then address our CB situation in the 2nd round. I would like to see us draft a safety in the 3rd round. Maybe a guy like Pat Watkins will still be available when we pick in the 3rd. If not, we can always surprise people and take an underrated guy like Anthony Smith outta Syracuse.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Hold on there, sonny. I've been carrying on about our safeties since Vermeil arrived.

who are you again?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RedBull

I hear ya man. I'm not a big fan of Wesley either. I mean he puts up the numbers, but its all the little things he can't do which best describes why the guys sucks. I can handle a change for once, especially at the safety position.
I want a guy back there that can take charge. A guy that is smart, instinctive, fearless. Somebody who can not only lay the wood, but cover a majority of the field. somebody that can play deep. Wesley is none of that imo.

I do agree. He is a big reason why our pass defense sucked all those years Vermeil was here. I not only hold him accountable entirely, but even Warfield, McCleon and Bartee. But definately Wesley contributed to poor pass defenses.

I think we are making baby steps to making our secondary better. We got rid of Warfield. We brought in Lenny Walls, Chris Johnson, and I do anticipate the Chiefs will draft a CB in the 2nd round. But first and foremost what I would like to see is us address the need of passrushing. I like to see a dominant passrusher here first, cornerback second, then take a FS in the 3rd round. Im with ya on the getting another safety, I just feel a passrush is more important.

If we can address our passrush with the 20th pick, then address our CB situation in the 2nd round. I would like to see us draft a safety in the 3rd round. Maybe a guy like Pat Watkins will still be available when we pick in the 3rd. If not, we can always surprise people and take an underrated guy like Anthony Smith outta Syracuse.

My thing is this:

Look at the top DE's in the league. How many of them were high 1st round picks, or even mid 1st round picks.

Now look at the top S's in the league.

If a guy like Jimmy Williams is there, we should take him. Then we could look at a guy like Tapp in the 2nd.