The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by ZootedGranny

Eloise kills adult Daniel in 77, finds out he is her son, and then presumably takes his journal. She then attempts to recreate the events that lead Daniel into his journey, such as pushing him towards science, giving him the blank journal after graduation.

In 2007, Eloise no longer knows what will happen because Daniel's journal entries stop when he is killed.

I think that's the timeline.

That would be my line of thinking.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by ZootedGranny

Eloise kills adult Daniel in 77, finds out he is her son, and then presumably takes his journal. She then attempts to recreate the events that lead Daniel into his journey, such as pushing him towards science, giving him the blank journal after graduation.

In 2007, Eloise no longer knows what will happen because Daniel's journal entries stop when he is killed.

I think that's the timeline.

if thats the case then she still has his journal?? there are 2 of them out there for a while?

[noa]

Why is it so important that Daniel has to live out that path? I guess that's probably a question that won't be answered until later, but I just don't understand why it was necessary for her to shoot him there, and that the situation absolutely had to happen. She could have sent him down that path but warned him not to put himself in that situation.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by noa

Why is it so important that Daniel has to live out that path? I guess that's probably a question that won't be answered until later, but I just don't understand why it was necessary for her to shoot him there, and that the situation absolutely had to happen. She could have sent him down that path but warned him not to put himself in that situation.

Hawkings always talks about destiny and fate, but she and Ben work very hard to get people where they need them. It doesn't really seem like what will be, will be.

[teedubya]

Tonight is gonna be awesome! can't wait for this!

[Buck]

Yes it is.

When does Entourage come back.

[arrowheadnation]

HELL

OF

AN

EPISODE!

[007]

Damn, I hate it when an ep ends before I am ready for it to end. heh

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by Guru

Damn, I hate it when an ep ends before I am ready for it to end. heh

This.

[007]

Usually Lost runs about 4 minutes over. Don't understand why they ended it a minute early this time. Next week ought to be GREAT!

[arrowheadnation]

Ok....I've had a little time to collect my thoughts. Here's what I'm thinking....(pretty short this week)

1. How do you kill what's already dead?....this works on two levels this episode. One, Locke said he's going to kill Jacob. How the hell does that work? and number two, it seems like Ben and Richard might conspire to try and bring Locke down a peg or two. That being said, this assertive version of John Locke is a blast to watch.

2. Two scenes/episodes I must see next year before this show ends Number one, I want to see the Black Rock roll up to the island and what ensues after that. Number two, I want to see the scene in the swan where that rat fink Radzinsky blows his brains out. I cannot stand him.

3. Nice racks all around!!!! Juliet was looking magnificent in her low cut top and when middle aged Ellie got out of the water...hooray for boobies!

4. Make sure to pay attention at the beginning. Richard is holding a model of the Black Rock when Locke walks up with the boar.

5. Like I mentioned before, I hate to even write this, but our time to enjoy this is getting shorter and shorter. Just think, by this time next year, it will all be over. I really don't know what I'll do. Oh well, guess we better just enjoy the ride.

[arrowheadnation]

This is interesting...

Things I Noticed - "Follow the Leader" by Vozzek69
Posted by DarkUFO at 5/07/2009 07:47:00 PM (Comments: 19) Comment Pop-up
Labels: Follow The Leader, Recaps, Vozzek69

Desmond May be the Constant, But...

Gonna put a new spin on one of my old theories here, going back to S3 when I called him the 'indestructible epicenter of all things'. I talked about this a little on the ODI podcast last week, but I wanted to put it here for everyone who didn't hear it. Here goes:

The Variable is Hurley.

Since the very beginning of LOST, this has been true. We've never seen it so clearly until now, because we've never really had reason to scrutinize it. But let's examine the evidence for a minute, and then you guys can make your own assumptions. Here's what I'm saying:

* Hurley almost didn't make Flight 815. In fact, the woman at the counter tells him: "I don't think you're supposed to be on this flight, dear".

* When Ben sees Hurley on Ajira 316, he looks him in the eye and tells him: "Hugo, who told you to come?"

* In Left Behind, episode S3.15, Hurley stands on the beach with Sawyer sitting behind him. He then looks out into the ocean, and says "I'm not supposed to be here".

* In Locke's vision where Boone's wheeling him through the airport, Hurley's the only person not getting on the plane. Everyone else is boarding the flight, but Hurley is not a passenger: instead he's stamping tickets at the gate.

* In S1, Hurley knew he wouldn't die on the bridge. He just had a 'feeling' he'd be alright - and he was. At the end of S3 Hurley knew he could get that 30+ year old van to start... and he got it started. He drives the van into Pryce through a hail of gunfire, without ever taking a single bullet.

* Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley all get captured by the Others. But Hurley was the one person they let go.

Hugo has always been lucky: rolling the dice, winning at horseshoes, never missing at basketball, winning the lottery. He eternally makes his own luck... and if this is the case, it stands to reason that he can make his own future. Hugo makes his own kind of music - he's been doing this both on and off the island. He's untouchable, unreachable, and the island can't affect him for a very simple reason: he's not supposed to be here.

Think about Hurley's distractions, too. The island tried to bribe him with a storeroom of food, but Hugo blew it up. It tried to offer him romance, but then his potential girlfriend gets shot. It even tries to get him to kill himself... by using Dave to almost convince Hurley to jump off a cliff. Didn't work.

Outside of the island? Hurley's in a mental institution, where someone is watching over him (because they can't touch him) to make sure he stays put. He gets out anyway. Then he's captured and imprisoned by the police. Somehow he gets out of that, too. No matter what happens, Hurley can't be contained. Hurley can somehow even see Jacob's cabin, because he's not affected by whatever illusions or smokescreens the island puts up.

Even now, it's no coincidence that Hurley's the one voice arguing in favor that things can be changed. He argues with Miles in Whatever Happened Happened, and he's trying to rewrite history with his Empire Strikes Back script. Hurley's seen more ghosts than anyone else. Charlie comes to Hurley as a ghost, telling him "They need you". Who needs him? Everyone else in the story. The Hurley bird is even shrieking his name over and over in the finale. The answer is obvious to me: Hurley's the one person who'll end up changing things.

What's funny is that we've always thought the game changer would come from one of the bigger players: Desmond, Ben, Jack, Locke - but if you think about LOST in general, it makes sense that such changes would come from someone you'd least expect. Hurley is perfect because no one's expecting him to matter. He's done nothing but cook, divide up food, play ping pong, and make everyone else laugh - including us.

Hurley is the island's very big problem because he's the one person who's "not here for a reason". And that's the very reason why he'll end up being so important: WHH can't apply to Hurley, because he was never a part of the plan (timeline?) in the first place. In short, I'm saying Hurley is the variable. Just tossing that out there, so let's hear everyone's thoughts on it!

[Chiefless]

Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

Ok....I've had a little time to collect my thoughts. Here's what I'm thinking....(pretty short this week)

1. How do you kill what's already dead?....this works on two levels this episode. One, Locke said he's going to kill Jacob. How the hell does that work? and number two, it seems like Ben and Richard might conspire to try and bring Locke down a peg or two. That being said, this assertive version of John Locke is a blast to watch.
.

I think there is no Jacob. Locke is going to "kill" the myth.

[007]

Originally Posted by Chiefless

I think there is no Jacob. Locke is going to "kill" the myth.

Or Locke IS Jacob. We already know that Locke was seen inside the cabin earlier in the series.

[irishjayhawk]

Is it a 2 hour finale?