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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

Molitoth · 05-14-2009, 09:19 AM

Why is everyone so quick to assume that Jacob is the good guy?

irishjayhawk · 05-14-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Why is everyone so quick to assume that Jacob is the good guy?

I'm guessing because the way the last scene of his played out. The expression on his face.

**Baby Lee** · 05-14-2009, 09:49 AM

Just gotta wait until January to find out if Juliet gets the Desomond treatment, wake up nekkid in the woods.

Third Eye · 05-14-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

Widmore just complicates things. He wants the island for his own personal reasons.

I don't agree with this. I think he is an agent of the anti-Jacob. Or even perhaps Jacob's true follower and Ben has just been a dupe. Either way, I don't think his motivation is entirely selfish. There was a comment made by Richard earlier this season that makes me think this. I can't remember exactly what was said (I tried to find it, but apparently I only have the last 13 eps, and I think it was in the episode "Jughead"), but Richard makes a reference to Charles' and Ellie's union, and how odd it was. At the time, it gave me the impression that there may be more than one faction in the others. I didn't think about it again until the finale. Maybe I am mis-remembering, or misunderstanding, but I no longer have the ep. to check it.

arrowheadnation · 05-14-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Third Eye

I don't agree with this. I think he is an agent of the anti-Jacob. Or even perhaps Jacob's true follower and Ben has just been a dupe. Either way, I don't think his motivation is entirely selfish. There was a comment made by Richard earlier this season that makes me think this. I can't remember exactly what was said (I tried to find it, but apparently I only have the last 13 eps, and I think it was in the episode "Jughead"), but Richard makes a reference to Charles' and Ellie's union, and how odd it was. At the time, it gave me the impression that there may be more than one faction in the others. I didn't think about it again until the finale. Maybe I am mis-remembering, or misunderstanding, but I no longer have the ep. to check it.

Since I wrote that last night. I've went back and watched the episode again. There was one thing I didn't mention that had to have been eating at Widmore all this time. While they were in the caverns, Richard mentioned that Ellie was their leader at the time. There can only be one leader at a time. I bet this angered Charles because he couldn't assume full power.

Chiefnj2 · 05-14-2009, 10:23 AM

I like it when Richard told Jack he had been off the island three times to see John Locke and never found him to be special.

tymania · 05-14-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaCenterJunkie

Yes it is.

When does Entourage come back.

Entourage starts July 12th according to Wikipedia

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-14-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mcan

Could be. We'll have to wait till 2010 to find out who "they" are.

I think it's very clear who "they" are: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Juliette & Sayid. The people that Jacob visited in the real world.

They're the key to him winning the "game".

**Buck** · 05-14-2009, 11:04 AM

arrowheadnation, great stuff.

This is just a theory about what the loophole is.

The Loophole is that Ben wasn't supposed to return to the island, but since he did, there were no rules or something like that regarding what he could and couldn't do. So the loophole was him returning to the island.

I just realized this ties in with your theory about Ben being the loophole, but it explains why Ben is the loophole.

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2. The "loop hole" is that the non-living (THE SMOKE MONSTER) cannot KILL Jacob. It had to find a loop hole. The loop hole being a living person. The smoke monster had to manipulate a living person into killing Jacob, and it finally did in the person of Benjamin Linus.

Chiefnj2 · 05-14-2009, 11:34 AM

I think Jacob is good.

NAMELESS: You're trying to prove me wrong.
JACOB: You are wrong.
NAMELESS: They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.
JACOB: It can only end once. Everything before that is progress.

**buddha** · 05-14-2009, 12:12 PM

Ben was just a tool used by Smokie...I don't think it's more complicated that that.

That was a great episode last night. I kept thinking...where the hell has all of this been? The show has gotten so much better over the past season when the producers have had the balls to actually reveal some things. It took them four years to figure out that you can answer questions quickly as long as you direct the plot down new passages.

irishjayhawk · 05-14-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think it's very clear who "they" are: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Juliette & Sayid. The people that Jacob visited in the real world.

They're the key to him winning the "game".

Can Juliette be included? She was the one flashback that didn't include Jacob.

**BigRedChief** · 05-14-2009, 02:04 PM

This one hurt a little bit, didn't it? Lost's fifth-season finale, "The Incident," was one of the show's more morose and hopeless outings in some time. Many terrible things happened and there was just one lone puppy dog on the scene to help make things happier. (There's only so much the fuzzy fella can do!)

If you haven't watched yet, you really need to spin up that DVR and see what happened, but if you have seen tonight's episode and you're ready to discuss, grab some dog treats for Vincent and get in here...

SORRY: We hate to be the ones to break it to you guys, but the major death is Juliet. Yes, Locke is apparently dead too (since midseason) and Jacob got a shiv in the gut and things aren't looking so good for Sayid, but the tragic death we've been talking about for months is Dr. Juliet Burke, as played by the beautiful Elizabeth Mitchell. Who knows, maybe she will be back more than expected, but honestly, that was a tragic death scene if ever there was one, and they're not going to cheapen something that emotional and grueling with a lame reset in the sixth-season premiere. For that matter, we've read the script for the V miniseries and Elizabeth Mitchell plays the lead character; it's just not some background role. For that, at least, we must give props to ABC. They knew they had a great thing in Ms. Mitchell and when her time on Lost was coming to an end, they at least had the sense to continue their association with her.

THE CURSED LOVE POLYGON: Here are tonight's key developments on the Jack-Kate-Sawyer-Juliet circuit:

Jate: The only thing Jack wants in life is apparently Kate, but as he told Sawyer, "I had her. I had her and I lost her." This was one of the many semi-pathetic declarations of surrender in this episode. Will no one fight for love? Kate, for her part, was wicked pissed at Jack for making her come back to the Island, but she still had his back anyway. Then again, she also had Sawyer and Juliet's backs, doing everything possible to help them fight the good fight.

Jawyer: Jack and Sawyer finally had the fistfight they've needed to have since episode three of Lost. As Juliet said, it was good that Sawyer got it out of his system, and we're just glad we can check it off the Lost to-do list. (But who won?!)

Kulawyer: Kate, Sawyer and Juliet made a formidable threesome as they stood up to Jack and his Dharma van of doom. Sigh. Couldn't they all have moved to Juniper Creek on Big Love or the Oprah-endorsed Yearning for Zion Ranch to be polygamistically happy and gorgeous together?
Suliet: We saw (straight through to the end of "The Incident") that Sawyer was never anything but loyal and loving with Juliet. Once the Island's leading screwup, Sawyer never so much as set a foot wrong in their relationship. As he put it, "I made a choice and I'm sticking to it." Sawyer would be (or perhaps is) a wonderful politician: No flip-flopping, ever. But…according to Juju, Sawyer looked at Kate a certain way, and that convinced "Blondie" that they were doomed, so she signed up for the apocalypse as a backup plan. As she told Sawyer, "I changed my mind when I saw you look at her…if I never meet you then I never have to lose you." Later, she parroted her mother and said, "Just because two people love each other doesn't mean they're always supposed to be together." Way to rip our hearts out, J.

Juliet Alone: Juju, you are the apotheosis of tragedy. Juliet killed herself (more or less) in a Shakespearean expression of despair, grief and hopelessness. Despite the heroic efforts of both Kate and Sawyer, Juliet made like her namesake from the play and cheerfully, melodramatically died of a dysfunctional relationship. And in the end, that's not cool…I truly thought our Juliet had more gumption.

Sawyer and Jack's Women: If you're keeping score (and we totally are), Sawyer is now three for three in boning Jack's would-be Island girlfriends (Kate, Ana-Lucia and Juliet). Two out of three of those women are dead. Kate, you better start watching your own back, because your two boyfriends might be bad for your health.

THE NUKE: It's not the fall that kills you…it's the hydrogen bomb. Juliet somehow didn't die after falling into the pit of despair. Alive but wishing herself quite dead just the same, she took a rock and detonated Jughead by hand. We'd usually say "you go girl" at this juncture, but the white-out ending put a fine point on the issue of thermonuclear weapons: It's never until after the bomb goes off that everyone realizes how absolutely ridiculous the nuclear option was in the first place.

LOCKE IS DEAD: Ilana had John Locke's body in a case, which means that the Locke who's been blithely walking around the Island is no longer original-flavor John Locke. Ben successfully killed original-flavor back in the real world, but what has reanimated him? What connection does extra-crispy Locke have to fellow walking dead guy Christian Shepherd? Does zombie Locke have a boss? If we come back in 2010, Damon and Carlton might tell us...
JACOB: In other, more mythological news, we finally met the much-discussed Island god called Jacob. Jacob is played by Mark Pellegrino, whom you Dexter fans will remember from his role as Rita's abusive ex Paul.

• Jacob is the old man who lived in a foot. • Jacob thinks Ben is beneath contempt. • Jacob has a BFF (best frienemies forever!) who wants to kill him, but it's not possible for some reason. • Jacob likes to spin his own thread (even though it takes a long time) and weave tapestries, and leave shreds of them as mementoes on walls in cabins. • Jacob made Richard Alpert into the ageless wonder that he is. (Jacob takes no credit for Richard Alpert's fabulous eyelashes.) • Jacob is corporeal enough that he can be killed, thanks to the tag team of Locke and Ben.

FLASHBACKS: Wonderful to see some old-fashioned expository flashbacks of our main characters! They were arguably Jacob-centric, as he stepped off the Island to push the pieces around the board to his satisfaction, but his agenda seemed to be to make sure that the Losties got on the various paths that eventually brought them to the Island: Kate became an flirtatious, amoral wench with an affinity for Patsy Cline; Sawyer was a punk consumed by vengeance; Juliet learned not to trust in love; Sun and Jin were lovers with terrible communication skills; Locke ended up a paraplegic dupe; Jack became an emotionally needy fixer; Sayid reverted to his familiar lone wolf status; etc.

BLACK ROCK/RICHARD: Was that the Black Rock on the horizon in the first scene between Jacob and the guy played by Titus Welliver? It has to be, right? Seriously, how many clipper ships can one show support? And do we all agree that Ricardos, aka Richard Alpert, was likely a Black Rock sailor before Jacob got his magical mitts on him?

MICHAEL EMERSON: Gotta love Memerson. Even when Ben is committing murder in a fit of childish pique—"Why him? What was so wrong with me? What about me?"—he still has more dignity than the next 20 men.
LOCKE VERSUS JACK: At the moment, the man in charge is dead zombie Locke. According to Ben, Locke's not just the leader, he's well and truly a Moses of his people. Do you buy that? Do you think that by the end of series Locke will have liberated his people from bondage?

SAYID IS MR. ORANGE: Sayid has always been the most lost of causes, past the point of no return before we even met him, and tonight he reiterated, "Nothing can save me." That is so sad and has so many layers of meaning. Also, OMG, Jacob intervened in Sayid's life to make sure Nadia was run down and killed. Hey, Ben, do us all a favor and stab Jacob a few more times, willya? Evil freak. (Oh, and speaking of whimsical vengeance, was anyone else bummed that Phil didn't die by Sawyer's hand but by accidental rebar impalement?)

LOSTIES! Rose, Bernard and Vincent were all rediscovered, and Rose laid the smack down, like she always does. "Oh hell no…BERNARD! They found us." Renard have been happily retired from the Lost craziness for the past three years, enjoying their quiet place by the ocean and each other's company. Rose and Bernard have a simple, clutter-free value system that they live and die by. Fantastic.

EASTER EGGS

• The colors of the final Lost logo were reversed: black on white intead of white on black. Does that mean season six will be an inverted bizarro world, or was this season the inverted bizarro world? (And not to whine, but can't we all go back to the beach camp and hang out together? I had such a fit of nostalgia when Sun found Aaron's crib and Charlie's Drive Shaft ring, and for that matter, when the gang got together to attack Radzinsky's well-defended Fort Swan.) • Richard's answer to Ilana's question ("What lies in the shadow of the statue?") was in Latin, He said, "Ille qui nos omnis servabit." Translation: "He who will save us all." But which of the fellas now in the shadow of the statue is the savior? Is it Ben, dead Locke, now-dead Jacob, or a player to be named later? • We've spent years wondering what it means to be on a list or to be special on Lost, and there was another hint tonight about this aspect of the show. Ilana and Bram debated Frank's worth and wondered out loud, "What, you think he's a candidate?" Hopefully next season this business of listy specialness and candidacy will be explained once and for all! • Jack was trying to buy an Apollo bar in his hospital flashback. • Radzinsky spent eight years designing the Swan. • While waiting for Anthony Cooper to push Locke out of an eighth-floor window, Jacob was reading Flannery O'Connor's Everything That Rises Must Converge.

MYTHOLOGY
This episode seemed to be positively chock-full of allusions to ancient mythologies. Here are some highlights:
Ancient Egyptian:

• Jacob's tapestry appeared to depict a winged sun, which is a key icon of ancient Egyptian art. • There were also three jars in Jacob's temple. Any chance those are the canopic jars that typically contain the organs of ancient Egyptian mummies? • Is the statue the crocodile-headed Egyptian god Sobek, representative of Nile fertility, or is it another member of the Egyptian pantheon? Michael Emerson says it's Taweret, a hippo-headed Egyptian goddess of childbirth, but those teeth look crocodilian to me...What's your call?
• Jin said that him being away from like Sun was wrong like the "sky being apart from the earth." In Egyptian mythology, the goddess of the sky is Nut and the god of the Earth is Geb, and as depicted in the image to the right, they are lovers lying together, forever mating and creating the world.
Ancient Greek stuff:

• There have been many references to the Odyssey in the show and another oblique one would appear to be Jacob's hobby of wiling away eternity by weaving a tapestry. The original Penelope (Odysseus' wife, not Desmond's girl) warded off the many suitors who wanted to court her by saying she would consider their offers once her tapestry was finished. She wove during the day…and unraveled her work every night, buying herself endless time to wait for her man. • Another classical myth worth mentioning is the Fates (Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos), the three sister weavers of destiny, who manipulate our mortal lives with their spinning, measuring and cutting of thread.

Contemporary fairy-tale stuff

• You can't throw a spinning wheel and spindle into a story without reminding us of Sleeping Beauty, and her affiliation with Dorothy Gale and all the other dreamers of myth and legend. Our Losties surely have been living in a dreamtime since this tale began. Will they ever be able to awake?
QUESTIONS:

• What language were Ilana and Jacob speaking to each other in the hospital? • Sorry, but who do Ilana and Bram work for? They say they are the good guys, but let's just skip to their chain of command for a second: Who's the boss? Widmore? Jacob? Someone else? Very confusing. • Jacob's last words were: "They're coming." But who is they? The extras on the beach or someone else?
And that's all we wrote about Lost season five! This Redux was brought to you by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs' "Zero" and organic green tea with ginger. Now, what are your thoughts about Lost's "The Incident"?

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-14-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

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Whoever wrote this completely missed the meaning of the episode and everything else about it.

**Buck** · 05-14-2009, 02:34 PM

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They now live forever.
Angelina Jolei and Juliette. NSFW links

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I just emailed these to myself for later viewing.

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7873688	I think Jacob is good. NAMELESS: You're trying to prove me wrong. JACOB: You are wrong. NAMELESS: They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same. JACOB: It can only end once. Everything before that is progress. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	Ben was just a tool used by Smokie...I don't think it's more complicated that that. That was a great episode last night. I kept thinking...where the hell has all of this been? The show has gotten so much better over the past season when the producers have had the balls to actually reveal some things. It took them four years to figure out that you can answer questions quickly as long as you direct the plot down new passages.
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05-14-2009, 02:04 PM	#3883
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3149627 VARSITY	This one hurt a little bit, didn't it? Lost's fifth-season finale, "The Incident," was one of the show's more morose and hopeless outings in some time. Many terrible things happened and there was just one lone puppy dog on the scene to help make things happier. (There's only so much the fuzzy fella can do!) If you haven't watched yet, you really need to spin up that DVR and see what happened, but if you have seen tonight's episode and you're ready to discuss, grab some dog treats for Vincent and get in here... SORRY: We hate to be the ones to break it to you guys, but the major death is Juliet. Yes, Locke is apparently dead too (since midseason) and Jacob got a shiv in the gut and things aren't looking so good for Sayid, but the tragic death we've been talking about for months is Dr. Juliet Burke, as played by the beautiful Elizabeth Mitchell. Who knows, maybe she will be back more than expected, but honestly, that was a tragic death scene if ever there was one, and they're not going to cheapen something that emotional and grueling with a lame reset in the sixth-season premiere. For that matter, we've read the script for the V miniseries and Elizabeth Mitchell plays the lead character; it's just not some background role. For that, at least, we must give props to ABC. They knew they had a great thing in Ms. Mitchell and when her time on Lost was coming to an end, they at least had the sense to continue their association with her. THE CURSED LOVE POLYGON: Here are tonight's key developments on the Jack-Kate-Sawyer-Juliet circuit: Jate: The only thing Jack wants in life is apparently Kate, but as he told Sawyer, "I had her. I had her and I lost her." This was one of the many semi-pathetic declarations of surrender in this episode. Will no one fight for love? Kate, for her part, was wicked pissed at Jack for making her come back to the Island, but she still had his back anyway. Then again, she also had Sawyer and Juliet's backs, doing everything possible to help them fight the good fight. Jawyer: Jack and Sawyer finally had the fistfight they've needed to have since episode three of Lost. As Juliet said, it was good that Sawyer got it out of his system, and we're just glad we can check it off the Lost to-do list. (But who won?!) Kulawyer: Kate, Sawyer and Juliet made a formidable threesome as they stood up to Jack and his Dharma van of doom. Sigh. Couldn't they all have moved to Juniper Creek on Big Love or the Oprah-endorsed Yearning for Zion Ranch to be polygamistically happy and gorgeous together? Suliet: We saw (straight through to the end of "The Incident") that Sawyer was never anything but loyal and loving with Juliet. Once the Island's leading screwup, Sawyer never so much as set a foot wrong in their relationship. As he put it, "I made a choice and I'm sticking to it." Sawyer would be (or perhaps is) a wonderful politician: No flip-flopping, ever. But…according to Juju, Sawyer looked at Kate a certain way, and that convinced "Blondie" that they were doomed, so she signed up for the apocalypse as a backup plan. As she told Sawyer, "I changed my mind when I saw you look at her…if I never meet you then I never have to lose you." Later, she parroted her mother and said, "Just because two people love each other doesn't mean they're always supposed to be together." Way to rip our hearts out, J. Juliet Alone: Juju, you are the apotheosis of tragedy. Juliet killed herself (more or less) in a Shakespearean expression of despair, grief and hopelessness. Despite the heroic efforts of both Kate and Sawyer, Juliet made like her namesake from the play and cheerfully, melodramatically died of a dysfunctional relationship. And in the end, that's not cool…I truly thought our Juliet had more gumption. Sawyer and Jack's Women: If you're keeping score (and we totally are), Sawyer is now three for three in boning Jack's would-be Island girlfriends (Kate, Ana-Lucia and Juliet). Two out of three of those women are dead. Kate, you better start watching your own back, because your two boyfriends might be bad for your health. THE NUKE: It's not the fall that kills you…it's the hydrogen bomb. Juliet somehow didn't die after falling into the pit of despair. Alive but wishing herself quite dead just the same, she took a rock and detonated Jughead by hand. We'd usually say "you go girl" at this juncture, but the white-out ending put a fine point on the issue of thermonuclear weapons: It's never until after the bomb goes off that everyone realizes how absolutely ridiculous the nuclear option was in the first place. LOCKE IS DEAD: Ilana had John Locke's body in a case, which means that the Locke who's been blithely walking around the Island is no longer original-flavor John Locke. Ben successfully killed original-flavor back in the real world, but what has reanimated him? What connection does extra-crispy Locke have to fellow walking dead guy Christian Shepherd? Does zombie Locke have a boss? If we come back in 2010, Damon and Carlton might tell us... JACOB: In other, more mythological news, we finally met the much-discussed Island god called Jacob. Jacob is played by Mark Pellegrino, whom you Dexter fans will remember from his role as Rita's abusive ex Paul. • Jacob is the old man who lived in a foot. • Jacob thinks Ben is beneath contempt. • Jacob has a BFF (best frienemies forever!) who wants to kill him, but it's not possible for some reason. • Jacob likes to spin his own thread (even though it takes a long time) and weave tapestries, and leave shreds of them as mementoes on walls in cabins. • Jacob made Richard Alpert into the ageless wonder that he is. (Jacob takes no credit for Richard Alpert's fabulous eyelashes.) • Jacob is corporeal enough that he can be killed, thanks to the tag team of Locke and Ben. FLASHBACKS: Wonderful to see some old-fashioned expository flashbacks of our main characters! They were arguably Jacob-centric, as he stepped off the Island to push the pieces around the board to his satisfaction, but his agenda seemed to be to make sure that the Losties got on the various paths that eventually brought them to the Island: Kate became an flirtatious, amoral wench with an affinity for Patsy Cline; Sawyer was a punk consumed by vengeance; Juliet learned not to trust in love; Sun and Jin were lovers with terrible communication skills; Locke ended up a paraplegic dupe; Jack became an emotionally needy fixer; Sayid reverted to his familiar lone wolf status; etc. BLACK ROCK/RICHARD: Was that the Black Rock on the horizon in the first scene between Jacob and the guy played by Titus Welliver? It has to be, right? Seriously, how many clipper ships can one show support? And do we all agree that Ricardos, aka Richard Alpert, was likely a Black Rock sailor before Jacob got his magical mitts on him? MICHAEL EMERSON: Gotta love Memerson. Even when Ben is committing murder in a fit of childish pique—"Why him? What was so wrong with me? What about me?"—he still has more dignity than the next 20 men. LOCKE VERSUS JACK: At the moment, the man in charge is dead zombie Locke. According to Ben, Locke's not just the leader, he's well and truly a Moses of his people. Do you buy that? Do you think that by the end of series Locke will have liberated his people from bondage? SAYID IS MR. ORANGE: Sayid has always been the most lost of causes, past the point of no return before we even met him, and tonight he reiterated, "Nothing can save me." That is so sad and has so many layers of meaning. Also, OMG, Jacob intervened in Sayid's life to make sure Nadia was run down and killed. Hey, Ben, do us all a favor and stab Jacob a few more times, willya? Evil freak. (Oh, and speaking of whimsical vengeance, was anyone else bummed that Phil didn't die by Sawyer's hand but by accidental rebar impalement?) LOSTIES! Rose, Bernard and Vincent were all rediscovered, and Rose laid the smack down, like she always does. "Oh hell no…BERNARD! They found us." Renard have been happily retired from the Lost craziness for the past three years, enjoying their quiet place by the ocean and each other's company. Rose and Bernard have a simple, clutter-free value system that they live and die by. Fantastic. EASTER EGGS • The colors of the final Lost logo were reversed: black on white intead of white on black. Does that mean season six will be an inverted bizarro world, or was this season the inverted bizarro world? (And not to whine, but can't we all go back to the beach camp and hang out together? I had such a fit of nostalgia when Sun found Aaron's crib and Charlie's Drive Shaft ring, and for that matter, when the gang got together to attack Radzinsky's well-defended Fort Swan.) • Richard's answer to Ilana's question ("What lies in the shadow of the statue?") was in Latin, He said, "Ille qui nos omnis servabit." Translation: "He who will save us all." But which of the fellas now in the shadow of the statue is the savior? Is it Ben, dead Locke, now-dead Jacob, or a player to be named later? • We've spent years wondering what it means to be on a list or to be special on Lost, and there was another hint tonight about this aspect of the show. Ilana and Bram debated Frank's worth and wondered out loud, "What, you think he's a candidate?" Hopefully next season this business of listy specialness and candidacy will be explained once and for all! • Jack was trying to buy an Apollo bar in his hospital flashback. • Radzinsky spent eight years designing the Swan. • While waiting for Anthony Cooper to push Locke out of an eighth-floor window, Jacob was reading Flannery O'Connor's Everything That Rises Must Converge. MYTHOLOGY This episode seemed to be positively chock-full of allusions to ancient mythologies. Here are some highlights: Ancient Egyptian: • Jacob's tapestry appeared to depict a winged sun, which is a key icon of ancient Egyptian art. • There were also three jars in Jacob's temple. Any chance those are the canopic jars that typically contain the organs of ancient Egyptian mummies? • Is the statue the crocodile-headed Egyptian god Sobek, representative of Nile fertility, or is it another member of the Egyptian pantheon? Michael Emerson says it's Taweret, a hippo-headed Egyptian goddess of childbirth, but those teeth look crocodilian to me...What's your call? • Jin said that him being away from like Sun was wrong like the "sky being apart from the earth." In Egyptian mythology, the goddess of the sky is Nut and the god of the Earth is Geb, and as depicted in the image to the right, they are lovers lying together, forever mating and creating the world. Ancient Greek stuff: • There have been many references to the Odyssey in the show and another oblique one would appear to be Jacob's hobby of wiling away eternity by weaving a tapestry. The original Penelope (Odysseus' wife, not Desmond's girl) warded off the many suitors who wanted to court her by saying she would consider their offers once her tapestry was finished. She wove during the day…and unraveled her work every night, buying herself endless time to wait for her man. • Another classical myth worth mentioning is the Fates (Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos), the three sister weavers of destiny, who manipulate our mortal lives with their spinning, measuring and cutting of thread. Contemporary fairy-tale stuff • You can't throw a spinning wheel and spindle into a story without reminding us of Sleeping Beauty, and her affiliation with Dorothy Gale and all the other dreamers of myth and legend. Our Losties surely have been living in a dreamtime since this tale began. Will they ever be able to awake? QUESTIONS: • What language were Ilana and Jacob speaking to each other in the hospital? • Sorry, but who do Ilana and Bram work for? They say they are the good guys, but let's just skip to their chain of command for a second: Who's the boss? Widmore? Jacob? Someone else? Very confusing. • Jacob's last words were: "They're coming." But who is they? The extras on the beach or someone else? And that's all we wrote about Lost season five! This Redux was brought to you by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs' "Zero" and organic green tea with ginger. Now, what are your thoughts about Lost's "The Incident"? __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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