Chiefs need to stop drafting defensive projects and get guys who have fundamentals

PunkinDrublic · 11-26-2004, 12:39 PM

Is it just me or are the Chiefs drafting too many players who are deemed project players on defense. Prime example is Junior Siavii. His selling points seemed to be size and strengths and it was pointed out that he needed to work on his technique. Eddie Freeman is another example the guy relied on his strength and power in college to dominate but lacked the technique to shed blockers. The Chiefs need to start looking more toward guys who have better fundamentals because a lot of times if players don't learn these things by the time they get to the pros they may never learn them.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-26-2004, 12:43 PM

The Chiefs need to draft players that have produced for more than 1 season in college.

Examples? Larry Johnson, Junior Siavii, Ryan Sims, Sylvester Morris.

Kylo Ren · 11-26-2004, 12:46 PM

Would you say Kris Wilson is an example of what you want. He's a tweener. He's not fast, but not slow. He's not big, but not small. He's just a player. Or, at least, that's why they drafted him. We'll have to wait and see. If KW turns out to be good, then he would support your theory, right?

PunkinDrublic · 11-26-2004, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The Chiefs need to draft players that have produced for more than 1 season in college.

Examples? Larry Johnson, Junior Siavii, Ryan Sims, Sylvester Morris.

Exactly I think they try to hard to find a diamond in the rough.

MOhillbilly · 11-26-2004, 12:49 PM

Football players is what KC should draft.
Id rather have a team full of football players than half a team of *stars*.

PunkinDrublic · 11-26-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan

Would you say Kris Wilson is an example of what you want. He's a tweener. He's not fast, but not slow. He's not big, but not small. He's just a player. Or, at least, that's why they drafted him. We'll have to wait and see. If KW turns out to be good, then he would support your theory, right?

I'm not saying you altogether dismiss players who are strong and have good athletic ability I just think the Chiefs need to start placing a higher premium on guys who have solid fundamentals.

Kylo Ren · 11-26-2004, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

I'm not saying you altogether dismiss players who are strong and have good athletic ability I just think the Chiefs need to start placing a higher premium on guys who have solid fundamentals.

My post was not intended to argue with you. I really want you opinion. Is Kris Wilson the type of player that you would like to see the Chiefs draft more often? I think your initial premise is correct and I think drafting more players like Kris Wilson is the answer. I agree with you. The Pats draft Kris Wilson type players, IMHO.

teedubya · 11-26-2004, 01:31 PM

i cant wait until Pioli gets here.

jspchief · 11-26-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Exactly I think they try to hard to find a diamond in the rough.

Diamonds are great, but we consistently pass on emeralds, rubies, and other precious stones to pick up rocks that we hope will turn out to be diamonds. So far, most of them are still just rocks.

Kris Wilson panning out would do nothing to the theory. He would just be an exception to the norm. Getting it right 1 out of 5 times isn't enough to justify this "project" BS.

teedubya · 11-26-2004, 01:45 PM

last i checked, Kris Wilson hasnt "panned-out" yet...

TEX · 11-26-2004, 01:51 PM

IMO, the CHIEFS seem to draft these guys that have great combines rather than guys who have a history of playing well and it is absolutely killing them. Two guys that come to mind are Eddie Freeman and Kawika Mitchell. I'd like to think that this was just an ugly trend in the D.V. era, but then I remember picks like Bartee and Jenkins and then I remember who has been around for them all...

Kylo Ren · 11-26-2004, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

last i checked, Kris Wilson hasnt "panned-out" yet...

Yes, exactly. It's all just "in theory" right now.

**Skip Towne** · 11-26-2004, 02:23 PM

Ed Podolak is a good example of this. If you just looked at his numbers, you wouldn't even send a scout. He wasn't fast and he wasn't big. And he was white with no moves. But he was 100% football player. Dallas had a guy named Walt Garrison that was like that too. Just all guts and toughness.

go bo · 11-26-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Ed Podolak is a good example of this. If you just looked at his numbers, you wouldn't even send a scout. He wasn't fast and he wasn't big. And he was white with no moves. But he was 100% football player. Dallas had a guy named Walt Garrison that was like that too. Just all guts and toughness.

walt garrison...

wasn't he the guy who was in the rodeo when he wasn't playing football?

i seem to remember him doing commercials for chewing tobacco too...

RedandGold · 11-26-2004, 02:53 PM

Here's a quick list of guys that we could have had with our first picks since 2000:

2000: Sylvester Morris instead of:
Chris Hovan
Keith Bullock
Ian Gold

2001: (Traded for Trent Green)
Our best productivity out of a first round pick in quite a while, so I cannot complain.

2002: Ryan Sims instead of:
John Henderson
Roy Williams
Dwight Freeney
Phillip Buchannon
Ed Reed

Considering the talent available, moving up to grab Sims was not the best of moves.

2003: Moved down from the 16 spot and drafted Larry Johnson at 27.

Considering this was nothing more than an insurance policy for Priest Holmes, we could have easily addressed this need in free agency (i.e. Antowain Smith).

With a suspect defense, we could have stayed at 16 and addressed the DT position by drafting William Joseph. With the 27 pick, we could have drafted Andre Woolfolk, Boss Bailey, or E.J. Henderson. This would have freed up our second round pick to address our need for a true #1 WR in Anquan Boldin instead of reaching on another project in Kawika Mitchell.

2004: Traded from #30 to move into the second to grab Junior Siavii. With not much talent being available at the #30 spot, I do not blame the Chiefs organization for moving down and taking Junior Siavii. The selection of Junior at #36 could be easily considered a reach, but with the lack of talent on the board, I doubt we could have done much better.

We all know that hindsight is 20/20, but it wouldn't have been difficult to upgrade our talent level considerably with a little better scouting.

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PunkinDrublic Stay down bitch! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Plano, TX Casino cash: $6360670	Chiefs need to stop drafting defensive projects and get guys who have fundamentals Is it just me or are the Chiefs drafting too many players who are deemed project players on defense. Prime example is Junior Siavii. His selling points seemed to be size and strengths and it was pointed out that he needed to work on his technique. Eddie Freeman is another example the guy relied on his strength and power in college to dominate but lacked the technique to shed blockers. The Chiefs need to start looking more toward guys who have better fundamentals because a lot of times if players don't learn these things by the time they get to the pros they may never learn them.
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TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $2263127	IMO, the CHIEFS seem to draft these guys that have great combines rather than guys who have a history of playing well and it is absolutely killing them. Two guys that come to mind are Eddie Freeman and Kawika Mitchell. I'd like to think that this was just an ugly trend in the D.V. era, but then I remember picks like Bartee and Jenkins and then I remember who has been around for them all... __________________ "The CHIEFS, HAVE THEIR DYNASTY!"
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11-26-2004, 02:23 PM	#13
Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	Ed Podolak is a good example of this. If you just looked at his numbers, you wouldn't even send a scout. He wasn't fast and he wasn't big. And he was white with no moves. But he was 100% football player. Dallas had a guy named Walt Garrison that was like that too. Just all guts and toughness.
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11-26-2004, 02:53 PM	#15
RedandGold Born with Bad Habits Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Right Here Casino cash: $2629109	Here's a quick list of guys that we could have had with our first picks since 2000: 2000: Sylvester Morris instead of: Chris Hovan Keith Bullock Ian Gold 2001: (Traded for Trent Green) Our best productivity out of a first round pick in quite a while, so I cannot complain. 2002: Ryan Sims instead of: John Henderson Roy Williams Dwight Freeney Phillip Buchannon Ed Reed Considering the talent available, moving up to grab Sims was not the best of moves. 2003: Moved down from the 16 spot and drafted Larry Johnson at 27. Considering this was nothing more than an insurance policy for Priest Holmes, we could have easily addressed this need in free agency (i.e. Antowain Smith). With a suspect defense, we could have stayed at 16 and addressed the DT position by drafting William Joseph. With the 27 pick, we could have drafted Andre Woolfolk, Boss Bailey, or E.J. Henderson. This would have freed up our second round pick to address our need for a true #1 WR in Anquan Boldin instead of reaching on another project in Kawika Mitchell. 2004: Traded from #30 to move into the second to grab Junior Siavii. With not much talent being available at the #30 spot, I do not blame the Chiefs organization for moving down and taking Junior Siavii. The selection of Junior at #36 could be easily considered a reach, but with the lack of talent on the board, I doubt we could have done much better. We all know that hindsight is 20/20, but it wouldn't have been difficult to upgrade our talent level considerably with a little better scouting.
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