Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[Mav]

The ironic thing about Alex Smith under Harbaugh and Roman.

Alex Smiths strength PRIOR to 2011, was considered to be the red zone efficiency.

For whatever reason, that was not present in 2011, didn't get much better in 2012. It does HOWEVER seem to be pretty good in KC.

No?

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

The ironic thing about Alex Smith under Harbaugh and Roman.

Alex Smiths strength PRIOR to 2011, was considered to be the red zone efficiency.

For whatever reason, that was not present in 2011, didn't get much better in 2012. It does HOWEVER seem to be pretty good in KC.

No?

So far so good.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You should make this your sig.

[BlackHelicopters]

Where can I find a thread concerning Alex Smith

[Red Gorilla]

You guys are ****ing idiots. They won 13 regular season games and a divisional playoff game that year.

Not turning it over in red zone is part of the reason why.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Joe Montana was a 3rd round pick.
Steve Young was cost the 50th pick + a 4th.
Jeff Garcia was a CFL retread.
Alex Smith was a #1 pick 'Franchise QB'

Approx 5 teams happened to of sucked at the right time and get a legit Franchise QB high.
another 5 teams happened to have the right guy fall into their lap some other way.

What is the other 70% of the NFL to do?

Your probably never gonna be one of the favorites to win a Super Bowl.

49ers were 40/1 in 2011 and were a bounce away from going.

I want the Chiefs to TRY.

The Packers have drafted more QBs in the first 3 rounds in the past 20 years than any other team, and they only needed two for that entire period. The Chiefs have drafted one in that time, and it was Brodie Croyle in the 3rd round. What are the two teams that have drafted more linemen in those rounds in that time? The Chiefs and Jaguars.

If that, along with the stats on SB participating/winning QBs who were drafted in the first round, doesn't make it obvious enough, I don't know what else would. People can cherry pick to push their agenda, but the reality is there's an overwhelming trend that you need elite QB play to win hardware and if you find it, it'll most likely be in the first round of the draft, not on another team's bench (or from another team at all).

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Red Gorilla

You guys are ****ing idiots. They won 13 regular season games and a divisional playoff game that year.

Not turning it over in red zone is part of the reason why.

Do you still have that photo of Herm on your nightstand?

[Red Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I want the Chiefs to TRY.

The Packers have drafted more QBs in the first 3 rounds in the past 20 years than any other team, and they only needed two for that entire period. The Chiefs have drafted one in that time, and it was Brodie Croyle in the 3rd round. What are the two teams that have drafted more linemen in those rounds in that time? The Chiefs and Jaguars.

If that, along with the stats on SB participating/winning QBs who were drafted in the first round, doesn't make it obvious enough, I don't know what else would. People can cherry pick to push their agenda, but the reality is there's an overwhelming trend that you need elite QB play to win hardware and if you find it, it'll most likely be in the first round of the draft, not on another team's bench (or from another team at all).

Well, we got a guy from the Packers so that should count for something. 2013 was just a bad year for QBs. We got a GM who was schooled to take a QB in almost every draft (Packer way) and we needed a QB more than any other position after he was hired. It was a terrible class and I bet we'll take one next year.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Red Gorilla

Well, we got a guy from the Packers so that should count for something. 2013 was just a bad year for QBs. We got a GM who was schooled to take a QB in almost every draft (Packer way) and we needed a QB more than any other position after he was hired. It was a terrible class and I bet we'll take one next year.

2 games into the season two of those "bad" QB's have already orchestrated a game winning drive with less than a minute to go.

So far it looks like it could be about an average class, but it's waaaaaaaaay to early pretend we know what all those guys will be.

[NinerDoug]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Oh really?

I'd say this one pretty much defines Alice, Bob. Won't take a chance to make the big play for the TD, but didn't turn it over either. Just get him some field goals. Herm would be proud.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...e-in-football/

The 49ers have the worst red zone offense in football
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 12, 2011, 10:24 AM EDT

APThe 49ers have won 10 games this year despite a glaring problem that Jim Harbaugh hasn’t been able to solve. They are a miserable red zone offense.

After Sunday’s loss in Arizona, the 49ers officially have the worst red zone offense in the league. No team has scored touchdowns a lower percentage of times inside the 20-yard line.

San Francisco lost to an inferior team Sunday because they couldn’t capitalize near the goal line. They got inside the Cardinals’ six-yard line three times in the first half, and came away with three field goals.

They don’t have a red zone touchdown this month. They are 3-for-13 scoring touchdowns in the red zone since the start of November.

The offensive meltdown in Arizona didn’t only occur near the goal line. San Francisco had two first downs in the entire second half. Alex Smith averaged 4.9 yards-per-attempt.

Perhaps this was just an overdue slip-up from the 49ers. A post-division title letdown without Patrick Willis. We tend to think the offense is regressing a little after two losses in three weeks.

If they lose again next Monday night against the Steelers, San Francisco may just lose that playoff bye.

It improved in 2012. Now you are number 8 in 2013.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...red-zone/2012/

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Oh really?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...e-in-football/

2011 did suck.

It was worse than Singletary years.

Smith wasn't the only guy on the field. It was a compound issue of the new system, WRs falling out of the lineup, too cute play-calling, running game could not get tough yards.


2011 49ers
82 rush attempts in the redzone AVG 2.1

2012 Falcons
81 rush attempts in the redzone AVG 2.2

Michael Turner and Jacquizz Rodgers were somehow better than Gore and the 49ers.

49ers were over 20% in the percentage of passes in the redzone that ended up as TDs in 2009 and 2010.

The drop to 15% in 2011 goes beyond Alex Smith. It was actually 1 point worse than what Smith did in 2006.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by NinerDoug

It improved in 2012. Now you are number 8 in 2013.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...red-zone/2012/

So far so good, yes. I'd like a bit larger sample size than 2 games including one against the worst team in football before I waive the checkered flag.

[Red Gorilla]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

2011 did suck.

It was worse than Singletary years.

Smith wasn't the only guy on the field. It was a compound issue of the new system, WRs falling out of the lineup, too cute play-calling, running game could not get tough yards.

2011 49ers
82 rush attempts in the redzone AVG 2.1

2012 Falcons
81 rush attempts in the redzone AVG 2.2

Michael Turner and Jacquizz Rodgers were somehow better that Gore and the 49ers.

49ers were over 20% in the percentage of passes in the redzone that ended up as TDs in 2009 and 2010.

The drop to 15% in 2011 goes beyond Alex Smith.

You won 13 games and divisional playoff game. You are spoiled. Do you know the last time we did either of those things?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I want the Chiefs to TRY.

The Packers have drafted more QBs in the first 3 rounds in the past 20 years than any other team, and they only needed two for that entire period. The Chiefs have drafted one in that time, and it was Brodie Croyle in the 3rd round. What are the two teams that have drafted more linemen in those rounds in that time? The Chiefs and Jaguars.

If that, along with the stats on SB participating/winning QBs who were drafted in the first round, doesn't make it obvious enough, I don't know what else would. People can cherry pick to push their agenda, but the reality is there's an overwhelming trend that you need elite QB play to win hardware and if you find it, it'll most likely be in the first round of the draft, not on another team's bench (or from another team at all).

So, you would have been happier had the Chiefs drafted Bray at 1.1? They would have been "trying" and the first round statistic would seemingly improve his likelihood to succeed.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Red Gorilla

Well, we got a guy from the Packers so that should count for something. 2013 was just a bad year for QBs. We got a GM who was schooled to take a QB in almost every draft (Packer way) and we needed a QB more than any other position after he was hired. It was a terrible class and I bet we'll take one next year.

Yeah, and that gives me some hope that just maybe this time, this regime has a real plan and it was just bad luck that the draft class sucked.... IMO, it doesn't really excuse not taking a chance on anyone until after the draft, as there were still a few possibilities at the top of the 3rd round, but whatever.

I've always hated the notion that it's forbidden to use a top 10 pick or 1.1 on someone because he's not projected to go there, or the notion of "x many GMs passed him, so he couldn't have been worth it".... not saying they should have taken Geno beyond a shadow of a doubt... whatever, they obviously already had a plan in place when they picked up Smith. But, had Rodgers gone 1.1, it's not like we can easily say that team would have regretted it (obviously, there are a lot of variables there... who knows how he would have developed in an inept organization). The notion that so-and-so is off limits because of where you are in the draft is pretty bogus. Fischer could be a dominating pro bowler for the next 15 years and he wouldn't ever come close to reaching the upside of a franchise QB. At least a team like the Jets, who have failed several times with high round picks (and maybe that's a sign for Geno ), are trying, and it's not like they've been any worse off for the past 40 years. /digress