Chiefs Open playbook or this closed playbook for cassel

-King- · 09-21-2010, 11:32 AM

I've been thinking about it. If we're going to stick with Cassel, why not just open up the playbook for him? This offense we're running now is not getting shit done and its limiting our pass because everybody is jam packed within 10 yards.

I say open the playbook. If Cassel ****s up, then let him **** up. We don't have any better alternative. Keeping the playbook closed is not going to help anyone in any way. Atleast with it open, there's a little glimmer of hope that Cassel can make a play.

Discus.

**Bane** · 09-21-2010, 11:44 AM

Hell open it up,he can't play much worse.

milkman · 09-21-2010, 11:46 AM

That's what Ive been saying.

Everyone is bitching and moaning that our receivers get no separtion, but how the hell does anyone expect them to get any separtion when everything is packed within 10-15 yards of the LOS?

If Cassel can begin to simply hit some passes even 20 yards downfield, it would open some things up underneath, which would make McCluster the weapon people have envisioned.

**bevischief** · 09-21-2010, 11:47 AM

Why the hell not...

Mr. Laz · 09-21-2010, 11:50 AM

while i realize what the real impetus behind this thread is ... you think if the playbook is opened up that Cassel will explode in a extraordinary fashion and force the Chiefs to move on.

Not a bad idea, i guess.

Cassel does seem to perform better in the hurry-up offense so i think the chiefs should start the game in a hurry-up and hopefully get Cassel in a rhythm.

**Tribal Warfare** · 09-21-2010, 11:54 AM

It doesn't matter Cassel isn't a competent starting QB, he'll **** it up in some way.

-King- · 09-21-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It doesn't matter Cassel isn't a competent starting QB, he'll **** it up in some way.

That's the whole point. I'd rather have him **** up with an open playbook than one where WR are all packed in by the LOS. I believe that would benefit cassel also. If Wrs are packed in, there's no space for YAC which is what Cassel needs from his WRs.
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keg in kc · 09-21-2010, 11:58 AM

I'm still not sure the playbook being closed is more situational than Cassel. They had a two score lead in the rain against San Diego and then played the Browns. I don't imagine they'll try to play like that against Indy or Houston. Although who knows.

**Old Dog** · 09-21-2010, 12:01 PM

He won't be able to color it as well if it's closed, but I don't imagine he could stay in the lines very well anyway.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-21-2010, 12:04 PM

At some point this year, we're going to have to open it up and see what Matt can do.

milkman · 09-21-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

At some point this year, we're going to have to open it up and see what Matt can do.

I think it has to be this week against the 9ers.

Fish · 09-21-2010, 12:08 PM

What good would it do to "open the playbook" as you say, when the QB can't complete the passes you're opening up? Don't you think that if we could pass it 30-40 yards with any consistency at all, that they would be doing it?

What would be the point of forcing long passes when the odds of Cassel getting it within 5 yards are slim to none? That's an easy way to ensure a quick 3 and out without running any time off the clock. Then the D has to go back out, causing them to be dog tired by the 4th quarter and putting even more pressure on the offense.

Everybody is so desperate to find a solution that people are now partially blaming Weis, saying he's holding us back. But Weis is only custom tailoring the offense around what he knows the QB is capable of. Believe it or not, offensive coordinators like to score points. Lots of them. They don't play ultra conservative just for the fun of it. Weis is calling the plays he knows we have a good chance of executing. He's not going to start asking Cassel to chuck bombs with the mindset of "If Cassel ****s up, then let him **** up." Not never, not nohow. That doesn't play to Cassel's strengths, and he knows that better than you or I.

Despite the offensive production, I think Weis is doing a decent job getting the most out of what he has to work with. The offensive mistakes for the most part haven't been because of poor offensive game planning or outright stupid playcalling or clock management. They've mostly been mistakes in execution, like an INT from a tipped ball, or Cassel simply missing the target. There's certainly things we'd all like to see change. But asking Cassel to do way more than he's capable of would be a mistake. And I say that while hating him more than Hitler/Mussolini/Pol Pot/Stalin/and Ivan IV combined.

FAX · 09-21-2010, 12:09 PM

Cassel The Terrible.

I like it.

FAX

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-21-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

But Weis is only custom tailoring the offense around what he knows the QB is capable of.

Exactly, and anyone paying attention this offseason expected this.

-King- · 09-21-2010, 12:16 PM

Fish Cassel sucks, but he doesn't suck this bad. All these WRs at the line of scrimmage aren't doing him any favors. I'd rather all the WRs be split up where they can get YAC.
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Keep it closed. He'll **** up too much with it open	4	18.18%
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09-21-2010, 11:32 AM
-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $2465743	Open playbook or this closed playbook for cassel I've been thinking about it. If we're going to stick with Cassel, why not just open up the playbook for him? This offense we're running now is not getting shit done and its limiting our pass because everybody is jam packed within 10 yards. I say open the playbook. If Cassel **s up, then let him ** up. We don't have any better alternative. Keeping the playbook closed is not going to help anyone in any way. Atleast with it open, there's a little glimmer of hope that Cassel can make a play. Discus.
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09-21-2010, 11:44 AM	#2
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09-21-2010, 11:46 AM	#3
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	That's what Ive been saying. Everyone is bitching and moaning that our receivers get no separtion, but how the hell does anyone expect them to get any separtion when everything is packed within 10-15 yards of the LOS? If Cassel can begin to simply hit some passes even 20 yards downfield, it would open some things up underneath, which would make McCluster the weapon people have envisioned. __________________
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09-21-2010, 11:47 AM	#4
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09-21-2010, 11:50 AM	#5
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	while i realize what the real impetus behind this thread is ... you think if the playbook is opened up that Cassel will explode in a extraordinary fashion and force the Chiefs to move on. Not a bad idea, i guess. Cassel does seem to perform better in the hurry-up offense so i think the chiefs should start the game in a hurry-up and hopefully get Cassel in a rhythm. __________________
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09-21-2010, 11:54 AM	#6
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09-21-2010, 11:58 AM	#8
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I'm still not sure the playbook being closed is more situational than Cassel. They had a two score lead in the rain against San Diego and then played the Browns. I don't imagine they'll try to play like that against Indy or Houston. Although who knows.
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09-21-2010, 12:01 PM	#9
Old Dog Supporter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Central Kansas Casino cash: $4756131	He won't be able to color it as well if it's closed, but I don't imagine he could stay in the lines very well anyway.
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09-21-2010, 12:08 PM	#12
Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2258919	What good would it do to "open the playbook" as you say, when the QB can't complete the passes you're opening up? Don't you think that if we could pass it 30-40 yards with any consistency at all, that they would be doing it? What would be the point of forcing long passes when the odds of Cassel getting it within 5 yards are slim to none? That's an easy way to ensure a quick 3 and out without running any time off the clock. Then the D has to go back out, causing them to be dog tired by the 4th quarter and putting even more pressure on the offense. Everybody is so desperate to find a solution that people are now partially blaming Weis, saying he's holding us back. But Weis is only custom tailoring the offense around what he knows the QB is capable of. Believe it or not, offensive coordinators like to score points. Lots of them. They don't play ultra conservative just for the fun of it. Weis is calling the plays he knows we have a good chance of executing. He's not going to start asking Cassel to chuck bombs with the mindset of "If Cassel **s up, then let him ** up." Not never, not nohow. That doesn't play to Cassel's strengths, and he knows that better than you or I. Despite the offensive production, I think Weis is doing a decent job getting the most out of what he has to work with. The offensive mistakes for the most part haven't been because of poor offensive game planning or outright stupid playcalling or clock management. They've mostly been mistakes in execution, like an INT from a tipped ball, or Cassel simply missing the target. There's certainly things we'd all like to see change. But asking Cassel to do way more than he's capable of would be a mistake. And I say that while hating him more than Hitler/Mussolini/Pol Pot/Stalin/and Ivan IV combined. __________________
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