Chiefs Podcast: Rich Baldinger Talks Chiefs OL - Page 7

Ace Gunner · 03-08-2013, 08:50 PM

On 610 today;

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6272783

Branden Albert is potentially better at LT than LG because he's no mauler

Rodney Hudson really shredded knee during that injury -- will he be back???

Asamoah isn't knocking guys off the ball in the red zone

Jake Long would fit well -- is an upgrade

Winston was disappointing especially for the dollars

last season's OL talent was a big reason they were 2 - 14

patteeu · 03-10-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Chiefs have had a pretty good line the last several seasons, but it just isn't good enough for the Tru Fans.

It's not good enough to give the team a good chance of success either.

WhiteWhale · 03-10-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

We saw it just a few weeks ago in the Super Bowl. San Francisco has a pretty good offensive line.

That OL is not comparable to what KC had. Good isn't comparable to an OL that had 3 HOF caliber players on it.

Anyone who thinks Cassel and Quinn were victims of the OL, and not the other way around, is a ****in dipshit.

patteeu · 03-10-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

That OL is not comparable to what KC had. Good isn't comparable to an OL that had 3 HOF caliber players on it.

Anyone who thinks Cassel and Quinn were victims of the OL, and not the other way around, is a ****in dipshit.

The Chiefs OL didn't have 3 HoF caliber players on it.

It doesn't have to be an either/or situation. The QBs sucked and the OL wasn't good enough.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-10-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

40 ****ing sacks last season dipshit. I know your too ****ing Geno-tized to understand the blocking was for shit the past zillion seasons, but Reid isn't rolling that shit out anymore. If he keeps Albert then he's likely to replace the rest over the next two seasons. Reid is rolling in the big boys, that's how he rolls and he may trade Albert to get somebody bigger in his place.

QB play anyone???

Cassel was sacked twice as much as Brady sandwiched in between many seasons of success for Tom. Guess their line only sucked ass for that one season

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-10-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

It's not good enough to give the team a good chance of success either.

Bullshit. The QB play hasn't given the team any chance of success. The team has ran the ball at will the last several seasons with no threat of a passing game at all.

Ace Gunner · 03-10-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

QB play anyone???

Cassel was sacked twice as much as Brady sandwiched in between many seasons of success for Tom. Guess their line only sucked ass for that one season

Brady Quinn's 21 sacks are fisting you right now dumbass

patteeu · 03-10-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Bullshit. The QB play hasn't given the team any chance of success. The team has ran the ball at will the last several seasons with no threat of a passing game at all.

Did Peyton Hillis run the ball at will in 2012? How about Thomas Jones in 2010 or 2011?

The Chiefs haven't had a back with 150+ carries over 4.0 yards per attempt in the past 3 years besides Jamaal Charles. Jackie Battle came the closest with 4.0 YPA on 149 carries in 2011. Dexter McCluster had a good 4.5 YPA average in 2011, but it was on only 114 carries. Here are the others:

2012 Peyton Hillis 3.6 YPA on 309 carries
2012 Shaun Draughn 3.9 YPA on 233 carries
2011 Thomas Jones 3.1 YPA on 153 carries
2010 Thomas Jones 3.7 YPA on 245 carries

That's dismal. Add to that the struggles the Chiefs have had converting short yardage and goal line situations and you realize you've got OL problems. A better QB will help, but it's not a panacea.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-10-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

That OL is not comparable to what KC had. Good isn't comparable to an OL that had 3 HOF caliber players on it.

Anyone who thinks Cassel and Quinn were victims of the OL, and not the other way around, is a ****in dipshit.

aaaaaand thank you.
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**RealSNR** · 03-10-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

The Chiefs OL didn't have 3 HoF caliber players on it.

It doesn't have to be an either/or situation. The QBs sucked and the OL wasn't good enough.

A QB worth a shit overcomes the supposed "garbage" on the offensive line. Remember Kyle Orton?

When your starting QBs are a bunch of Cassels, Quinns, and now Alex Smiths, your offensive line needs all those HOFers and 1st round picks to accomplish anything.

It's up to you, but you can choose to spend all those resources and all that money on keeping FIVE positions stocked with incredible and well-coached talent, or you can bite the bullet and find a 16th-or-better ranked QB who doesn't shit his pants when the offensive line doesn't block exactly the way the play was designed.

I think we are all advocating for both methods to be implemented. The difference is that I and milkman are advocating finding the QB first, so that when you do find OL players worth a shit, reeruns like you and CoMo don't ascribe equal blame to the line AND the abortion of a QB.

But it appears that you and CoMo are going to get your way. Again. For the 7342nd time in 30 years. We're going to build the line first and just hope Jesus blesses us with the winning lottery ticket of a QB in a Tom Brady or Russell Wilson. Just the way you wanted it.

**RealSNR** · 03-10-2013, 01:54 PM

What happens when we have Alex Smith and Luke Joeckel and the offensive line continues to run into the occasional rough patch against tough defensive lines?

KEEP BUILDING THE LINE, BOYS! ALBERT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH! REPLACE ASAMOAH! DRAFT A CENTER IN THE 1ST ROUND IF YOU HAVE TO! IF JOECKEL ISN'T WORKING OUT, KEEP SEARCHING UNTIL YOU GET IT RIGHT! WE GOTTA FIND THAT PERFECT OL BEFORE WE PUT A REAL QB BACK THERE!

patteeu · 03-10-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

A QB worth a shit overcomes the supposed "garbage" on the offensive line. Remember Kyle Orton?

When your starting QBs are a bunch of Cassels, Quinns, and now Alex Smiths, your offensive line needs all those HOFers and 1st round picks to accomplish anything.

It's up to you, but you can choose to spend all those resources and all that money on keeping FIVE positions stocked with incredible and well-coached talent, or you can bite the bullet and find a 16th-or-better ranked QB who doesn't shit his pants when the offensive line doesn't block exactly the way the play was designed.

I think we are all advocating for both methods to be implemented. The difference is that I and milkman are advocating finding the QB first, so that when you do find OL players worth a shit, reeruns like you and CoMo don't ascribe equal blame to the line AND the abortion of a QB.

But it appears that you and CoMo are going to get your way. Again. For the 7342nd time in 30 years. We're going to build the line first and just hope Jesus blesses us with the winning lottery ticket of a QB in a Tom Brady or Russell Wilson. Just the way you wanted it.

Getting the line first isn't my way. My way is getting whatever pieces are available first. I see no reason why we should put go out of our way to avoid improving the line until after we find a QB. If the Chiefs believe in Geno Smith or any of the other QBs in the draft, they'll take one with 1.1. If not, the BPA is a great approach, IMO, even if it turns out to be a tackle.

**RealSNR** · 03-10-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Getting the line first isn't my way. My way is getting whatever pieces are available first. I see no reason why we should put go out of our way to avoid improving the line until after we find a QB. If the Chiefs believe in Geno Smith or any of the other QBs in the draft, they'll take one with 1.1. If not, the BPA is a great approach, IMO, even if it turns out to be a tackle.

Even if that BPA pick is used on a G, C, or RT, perhaps the three absolute WORST positions you can draft at 1.1 relative to their value on the field?

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-10-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

Brady Quinn's 21 sacks are fisting you right now dumbass

They are? Brady Quinn is ****ing garbage as well. Guess what Alex Smith got sacked 40 plus times behind a damn good Niner line, so it isn't going to get better even with Joke.

patteeu · 03-10-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Even if that BPA pick is used on a G, C, or RT, perhaps the three absolute WORST positions you can draft at 1.1 relative to their value on the field?

Deciding on which player is BPA should include consideration of the importance of the position. That's why I said that they should take a QB if they believe in one of them. But yes, even if, after accounting for positional importance, the BPA is a G, C, or RT (or even punter). That must mean you've got a pretty craptastic class though.

O.city · 03-10-2013, 02:52 PM

This is a pretty shit class at the top. If they want to take Fisher to be a bookend RT, fine, do it. It's about the only guy that makes sense at this point if we sign another CB.

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