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Old 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM  
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Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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Old 12-16-2016, 05:23 PM   #436
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Old 12-16-2016, 05:24 PM   #437
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Old 12-16-2016, 06:49 PM   #438
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:48 PM   #439
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:31 PM   #440
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:55 PM   #441
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This thread is funny. Same posters basically bitching about Dorsey then just moved their pieces to Andy and Alex now. ****ing clueless takes X 3. It's like the trifecta of ****ing ignorance. Bottom line GO CHIEFS!!!
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:28 PM   #442
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Good coaches make good gms and good gms make good coaches. I honestly believe Dorsey the stronger one of the two here. This roster wins in spite of coaching and play calling and the quarterback. Smith does exactly what he does better than anyone but any roster this loaded with weapons could be lethal. Im ready for Dorsey to get a real hard on for a qb.
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Good coaches make good gms and good gms make good coaches. I honestly believe Dorsey the stronger one of the two here. This roster wins in spite of coaching and play calling and the quarterback. Smith does exactly what he does better than anyone but any roster this loaded with weapons could be lethal. Im ready for Dorsey to get a real hard on for a qb.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:47 PM   #445
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This thread is funny. Same posters basically bitching about Dorsey then just moved their pieces to Andy and Alex now. ****ing clueless takes X 3. It's like the trifecta of ****ing ignorance. Bottom line GO CHIEFS!!!
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:56 PM   #446
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Your two posts here don't reconcile in the slightest. You tried to actually salvage that mess of a post by saying "well I did say I might be wrong" and then stridently voicing your support for your nonsense in the OP.


He's just covering the bases, dude!
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Can you imagine thinking you had this killer GM like dorsey then the coach leaves and suddenly you've got some ryan grigson kind of garbage?

You know like being a 9er fan a few years back, you appear to be set for years and suddenly you've got a GM that's only nailed front 7 guys lucked out on a kaepernick and loaded up a roster of skill position guys that peak at Crabtree and tails off to aj jenkins...

Jesus just please be for real john, your our only hope.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:16 PM   #448
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Can you imagine thinking you had this killer GM like dorsey then the coach leaves and suddenly you've got some ryan grigson kind of garbage?

You know like being a 9er fan a few years back, you appear to be set for years and suddenly you've got a GM that's only nailed front 7 guys lucked out on a kaepernick and loaded up a roster of skill position guys that peak at Crabtree and tails off to aj jenkins...

Jesus just please be for real john, your our only hope.
always a chance that it's Reid instead of Dorsey


Could be Reid AND Dorsey ... maybe the combination makes it work


We won't know until one of them leaves.
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Can you imagine thinking you had this killer GM like dorsey then the coach leaves and suddenly you've got some ryan grigson kind of garbage?

You know like being a 9er fan a few years back, you appear to be set for years and suddenly you've got a GM that's only nailed front 7 guys lucked out on a kaepernick and loaded up a roster of skill position guys that peak at Crabtree and tails off to aj jenkins...

Jesus just please be for real john, your our only hope.
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I heard Peterson interviewed way back near the end of his reign of terror, and he made a good point: in football guys get old after 3 years. He said the data they kept on FA painted a really dreary picture of results since they're already old when you acquire them. He claimed they (FA) perform much worse than any other sport.


Dorsey has done a really good job bringing in good young players via FA, the Howards and Spencer Ware types. Did Carl ever bring in any good young FA?
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