Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block - Page 31

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

Dunerdr · 12-17-2016, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

always a chance that it's Reid instead of Dorsey

Could be Reid AND Dorsey ... maybe the combination makes it work

We won't know until one of them leaves.

I know it's a solid ComBo of both but I like to think that because dorsey managed to find what look to be a few exceptional players at that position (kelce,chris jones,Dee ford,mp22)maybe he's really got some magic up his sleeve.

threebag · 12-17-2016, 08:46 AM

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TEX · 12-17-2016, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Steron

I like you Direckshun and typically enjoy your posts. But, Dorsey and Reid aren't going anywhere. Get over it, it's a pipe dream.

Agreed. Nor should they.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-17-2016, 09:46 AM

Draft AND develop. Coach and GM working in harmony.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-17-2016, 10:33 AM

Reid should be moved to a secured, separate, and hardened site from the months of February through June.

No business picking or "building" shit. Completely unnecessary at this point.

Take a vacation, watch pron, develop new ways to bubble etc.

RunKC · 12-17-2016, 10:47 AM

Andy badly missed on the personnel side in Philly and that lack of depth ultimately got him fired. However, coaching has been amazing here and that's on Andy.

It's a perfect partnership that I hope lasts a long time

Dunerdr · 12-17-2016, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Andy badly missed on the personnel side in Philly and that lack of depth ultimately got him fired. However, coaching has been amazing here and that's on Andy.

It's a perfect partnership that I hope lasts a long time

I would say player coaching and game plan and preperation is one of the best in the league, the in game play calling and clock management is something I'd expect from the Browns coaching carousel.

Buckweath · 12-17-2016, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I would say player coaching and game plan and preperation is one of the best in the league, the in game play calling and clock management is something I'd expect from the Browns coaching carousel.

That's exactly right. I consider Andy Reid an above average HC but nothing more. He has got clear flaws.

suzzer99 · 12-17-2016, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Dan Saleamua.

Wasn't he brought in via some weird draft? I want to say rule 5, but that could be baseball.

milkman · 12-17-2016, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Wasn't he brought in via some weird draft? I want to say rule 5, but that could be baseball.

It was the early years of free agency, and he was signed as a "Plan B free agent".

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2013/3/5/...-b-free-agency

threebag · 12-17-2016, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It was the early years of free agency, and he was signed as a "Plan B free agent".

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2013/3/5/...-b-free-agency

Happy Birthday you crotchety old ass

suzzer99 · 12-17-2016, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

It was the early years of free agency, and he was signed as a "Plan B free agent".

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2013/3/5/...-b-free-agency

Oh yeah. I knew it was something. Wasn't he the all time best plan-B pickup or something?

Mr. Laz · 12-17-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

That's exactly right. I consider Andy Reid an above average HC but nothing more. He has got clear flaws.

But don't you think that it's the OC part of the job that Andy struggles with?

Playcalling is the OC
Time management is mostly when on offense and your managing a drive
Running a very conservative offense is both the OC and HC, i guess.

As Head Coach he brings legitimacy and runs a well-managed ship. No drama,no bullshit. Team isn't exactly fired up most of the time but they are also under control without too much stupid shit.

Mother****erJones · 12-17-2016, 10:08 PM

Andy gets too cute at times. That is his issue. He's a fantastic play caller when he's focused and not getting cute.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4363447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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