Chiefs A brand spanking new Jared Allen thread - Page 5

BigRock · 04-18-2008, 05:08 PM

According to a Vikes' board (this is probably from their Scout.com site like the similiarly unlinked report from yesterday):

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- The Chiefs want more than the 1st and 3rd the Vikings are alleged to have offered. It is said that it will take a "wow offer" to get them to agree to the trade.

- Time is an important factor. If Allen was signed to an offer sheet then the Chiefs would be guaranteed seven days to match it. An offer sheet would have to be signed and approved by the league by tomorrow (Saturday) to give KC seven days before the draft.

Without the offer sheet option to fall back on, the entire deal hinges on the Vikings being able to offer the Chiefs enough in return to make the trade. If they don't offer a deal to the Chiefs liking, Allen isn't coming.

- The Vikings believe more teams, at least 3, have contacted KC about Allen in the last 24 hours once all this news got out. But in terms of having the picks to satisfy the Chiefs and the cap room to get a deal done, the Vikings believe they're in the lead.

- One of the 3 teams, though, is rumored to be New England, and the chance of getting their high first rounder is going to entice the Chiefs a lot more than getting Minnesota's. The Patriots also have a high third round pick (4 spots higher than the Vikings' first pick in that round).

Still, it's not known what, if anything, the Patriots have offered. And it's unlikely the Chiefs would want to trade Allen to an AFC team.

**The Franchise** · 04-18-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bogey

I don't get this. Yea Carl? Or boo Carl? Are you happy JA will be traded if it's a good trade, or are you mad JA is being traded no matter what the trade. I'm thinking why are we getting rid of one of our best players. What am I missing.

This thread is for people that have already resigned themselves to the fact that Allen is more than likely gone. The line has already been crossed. We're just now hashing out what the Chiefs get out of the deal.

**Bowser** · 04-18-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I appreciate evil scenarios but there in no way on God's Green Earth the Cowboys give up two 1sts for McFadden when this is the deepest RB year maybe ever.

They can sit right where they are and get Felix Jones, who is arguably going to be a better NFL back than McFadden.

**The Franchise** · 04-18-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

He's going to come on and say "I just signed a new deal with the Chiefs" and all this "holy shit we might have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds" talk will poot off like a burst balloon.

Then you'll see tons of threads pop up about how we should have traded him for picks. I love the Planet.

Direckshun · 04-18-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Then you'll see tons of threads pop up about how we should have traded him for picks. I love the Planet.

CLASSIC.

keg in kc · 04-18-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bogey

I don't get this. Yea Carl? Or boo Carl? Are you happy JA will be traded if it's a good trade, or are you mad JA is being traded no matter what the trade. I'm thinking why are we getting rid of one of our best players. What am I missing.

It's kind of trying to make the best out of a bad situation. It seems very, very unlikely that Allen's going to re-sign here, and I think it's a combination of factors, not just "getting rid of him". There's bad blood because of what happened last offseason apparently, and it doesn't look like there's been any positive progress this year. So, I guess on one hand, you can rail at Carl for all this happening, or, on the other, you can resign your self to the fact that it is happening, that you can't go back and get a do-over on last year or last month, and so you try to figure out what the best outcome can be.

So it's boo carl because the relationship between the two is precluding a new contract, but yay carl in the hopes that he can recover by making a good trade.

That's my view, at least.

Valiant · 04-18-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He'd be a mix since they do some 4-3 looks also, I don't really buy that they'd trade for him...

But just saying they did the Chiefs would have to more down on one of those picks because I don't think they could afford 2 top 10 picks.

Have you seen how much money we are sitting on??? This is not your same old Chiefs who need to get close to cap, we have an over-abundance this year..

Valiant · 04-18-2008, 05:51 PM

And as for the Pats.. Nothing less then thier 7th overall this year and another 1st next year.. Which would mean 32nd pick in the draft..

Direckshun · 04-18-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

And as for the Pats.. Nothing less then thier 7th overall this year and another 1st next year.. Which would mean 32nd pick in the draft..

Fail.

If Allen was worth that much, we wouldn't be trading him.

Valiant · 04-18-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Yeah but if they are in a win now mode....why would they pay $70-$80 million for Allen.....who doesn't fit their mold.....instead of paying $50 million for Asante Samuels.....who they drafted themselves.

Because a DE/OLB in their scheme is worth a tons more.. Hell in the NFL period now elite CB's are not worth the money with the way the rules are set up..

You can get an elite DL and make average to good CB's allstar, compared to a average DL letting WR run all day on elite CB's..

Direckshun · 04-18-2008, 05:55 PM

I swear to God, though, if Carl pulls this off where we end up with six picks in the first three rounds by the time the Draft arrives, it will have been the most ingenius manuvers he's made in his time as GM. Taking a bad situation and turning it into exactly what the Chiefs want, with the best drafting HC we've had in ages.

That's why I think everything might fall through. It would require a hell of a lot of skill to manufacture, and I don't know if there's any GM, maybe one or two of the elite ones, that could pull off that kind of trick.

Nonetheless, aim high Carl.

**The Franchise** · 04-18-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I swear to God, though, if Carl pulls this off where we end up with six picks in the first three rounds by the time the Draft arrives, it will have been the most ingenius manuvers he's made in his time as GM. Taking a bad situation and turning it into exactly what the Chiefs want, with the best drafting HC we've had in ages.

That's why I think everything might fall through. It would require a hell of a lot of skill to manufacture, and I don't know if there's any GM, maybe one or two of the elite ones, that could pull off that kind of trick.

Nonetheless, aim high Carl.

If he pulls this off.....then he'll demand a new contract.

keg in kc · 04-18-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I swear to God, though, if Carl pulls this off where we end up with six picks in the first three rounds by the time the Draft arrives, it will have been the most ingenius manuvers he's made in his time as GM. Taking a bad situation and turning it into exactly what the Chiefs want, with the best drafting HC we've had in ages.

That's why I think everything might fall through. It would require a hell of a lot of skill to manufacture, and I don't know if there's any GM, maybe one or two of the elite ones, that could pull off that kind of trick.

Yes, this would be like Athan winning a pulitzer.

Direckshun · 04-18-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

If he pulls this off.....then he'll demand a new contract.

I understand that logic, and it frightens me, too.

But I can't root for my team to fail ever. If this pair of deals is possible, you pull the trigger.

**The Franchise** · 04-18-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I understand that logic, and it frightens me, too.

But I can't root for my team to fail ever. If this pair of deals is possible, you pull the trigger.

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm hoping that some how we pull through this with the Pats 1st and 3rd.

Direckshun · 04-18-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm hoping that some how we pull through this with the Pats 1st and 3rd.

If we do, I still think it'd be really hard for us to get a 1st and a 2nd for the #7 overall. Maybe if we give up a mid rounder in exchange with the #7, I can see a 1st and a 2nd coming our way.

Geez... this is too exciting to be real.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4263447	I swear to God, though, if Carl pulls this off where we end up with six picks in the first three rounds by the time the Draft arrives, it will have been the most ingenius manuvers he's made in his time as GM. Taking a bad situation and turning it into exactly what the Chiefs want, with the best drafting HC we've had in ages. That's why I think everything might fall through. It would require a hell of a lot of skill to manufacture, and I don't know if there's any GM, maybe one or two of the elite ones, that could pull off that kind of trick. Nonetheless, aim high Carl.
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