Uh oh, Dr Z ABSOLUTELY RIPS APART Trent Green (and BBQ!)...

DaWolf · 11:03 AM

From the "I need some controversial statement ripping KC to generate discussion" department. Where was this comment on Trent Green when I needed it before the draft to discuss with Lamb fans why a first rounder is too much compensation? :)

[quote]From Tim of K.C.: "Suddenly all you beat writers seem to think that Elvis Grbac is the best thing to happen to the Ravens ... " I don't like to be addressed as "all you ... " How'd you like it if I said, "Well, all you BBQ eaters ... ?" Personally, I think BBQ is overrated. Take away sugar, and your barbecue would go poof. We seem to be straying. Oh yes, another thing. I'm not a beat writer. I'm a ... a ... (what am I, Linda?) "A beat-nik," she says. See what happens when you get started on an idiot topic? I haven't written a word about Elvis in Baltimore. I will now. Here it is: IMPROVEMENT . Trent Green in K.C.? He was kind of exposed when he had to carry the load in St. Louis. Not able to make the quick decisions or quick deliveries that Warner did. Who can? But still, a bit of the luster is off. [/quote]

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2001/06/08/drz_mailbag/[/url]

keg in kc · 06-14-2001, 11:09 AM

If that's absolutely ripping apart Trent Green, then I must have drawn and quartered the poor guy and sent his parts to the four corners of the globe prior to the trade.

If that's the best "Dr. Zzzzzzz" can do, he needs to find another line of work.

We'll see what happens in September. I'll just say for now that I like the Green signing a whole lot better than I thought I would, though I remain a skeptic until I see the final product on the field.

HC_Chief · 06-14-2001, 11:11 AM

Well, he does have a pont in regards to Grbac in Baltimore. He <i>is</i> an improvement over Dilfer.

His BBQ take was subjective and weak at best. "Take away sugar and..."? Apparently knows nothing of BBQ sauce.

[quote]He was kind of exposed when he had to carry the load in St. Louis. Not able to make the quick decisions or quick deliveries that Warner did. Who can? But still, a bit of the luster is off. [/quote] This shows his complete ignorance. Trent Green performaed <i>brilliantly</i> in place of Warner last season. The numbers prove it. No QB performed better in the NFC - INCLUDING Warner.

:)

DaWolf · 06-14-2001, 11:12 AM

Sorry about the title, I was just trying to sensationalize it to seem like more than it actually is... :)

MrBlond · 06-14-2001, 11:12 AM

I can handle criticism of Green, but BBQ? Dr Z is nothing but a damn communist! He obviously has not eaten at Arthur Bryants. I gaurentdamntee you will never hear Peter King badmouth BBQ. This proves a theory I have...fat guys love BBQ.

keg in kc · 06-14-2001, 11:14 AM

You may be right, Mr. Blond. I'm a fat guy and I certainly love BBQ. ;)

MrBlond · 06-14-2001, 11:19 AM

That theory is just based on me. I also think that fat guys love to watch tennis only when Anna plays!

Warrior5 · 06-14-2001, 11:20 AM

a skinny communist who's a closet donkey-fan.

DaWolf · 06-14-2001, 12:01 PM

I dunno, 16 TD's to 5 INT's vs Warner's 20 TD's to 18 INT's seem to indicate to me Warner had more problems finding the right guy. Also it should be noted that over a 4 game stretch he played without Faulk in 2 of them, and overall in those 4 games Faulk had just 17 rushes for 60 yards, so teams were not worried about the ground game. Also in those 4 games he played against Carolina, New York, Washington, and New Orleans, all of which had pretty good defenses.

His record wasn't helped by the defense...

HC_Chief · 06-14-2001, 01:11 PM

[quote]"He was kind of exposed when he had to carry the load in St. Louis. Not able to make the quick decisions or quick deliveries that Warner did. Who can? But still, a bit of the luster is off."(in regards to Trent Green -obviously-)

I find your ignorance in this statement quite disturbing. For a professional 'beat writer' ;), you sure do jump to quick conclusions w/o doing any research first. FYI: Green attempted 240 passes in 8 games last season(5 starts). He completed 145 for ~61% comp and nearly 2100 yards. Passed for 16TDs, rushed for 1; threw a mere 5 INTs. That equates to a 102 QB rating. Brian Griese was the only QB in the LEAGUE to surpass that: 103 rating. (Warner had a 98 rating)

Perhaps you'd like some tasty Arthur Bryants' BBQ sauce -fresh from lovely KC- to smother your foot; next time you insert it, it won't leave such a sour taste.[/quote]

Punisher - Green completed 61% of his passes & had a 3 to 1 TD/INT ratio. 102 rating was second in the NFL. What, exactly, does it take to impress you?

Clint in Wichita · 06-14-2001, 01:21 PM

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Grbac is an upgrade over Dilfer.

Had KC signed Dilfer instead of Green, I'd still be happier than I was with Hrbac at the helm.

**jAZ** · 06-14-2001, 02:27 PM

I think it is interesting how vocal people are now that Green is on the "right" team. At the time that we were negotiating a trade, no one was bragging about Green and his performace last season.

The arguments being made here today were the same one's StLouis management were using to justify a #1 and #3 pick.

Don't get me wrong, I think we are headed in the right direction; I am just amused.

HC_Chief · 06-14-2001, 02:28 PM

actually pappa, I was all over the Green wagon back in those days. I can bring the old topics back up if you wanna see 'em ;)

58Forever · 06-14-2001, 03:04 PM

I too wanted Green from the start...as a matter of fact, before Grfu*k left I kind of had the feeling we'd end up with Green even if Gras*hole wanted to stay...

I loved Grbitch but I like Green better. He seems much smarter, but then again, I could say the same thing about a Rotwieller when compared to Grcoc*sucker....can you tell I don't like Gr**** anymore?

As far as the BBQ comment goes...where is this guy based?...probably in some eastern seaboard town where there version of BBQ is a pan fried steak with spicy Hunts Ketchup on it....talk about my QB, my team, my mother but don't mess with my BBQ...fat man working on being thin but will never give up my BBQ...:D

**Baby Lee** · 06-14-2001, 05:05 PM

[quote] a skinny communist who's a closet donkey-fan. [/quote]

You ever seen the 'closet donkey fan' shows in Tijuana?

06-14-2001, 11:00 AM	Topic Starter
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Uh oh, Dr Z ABSOLUTELY RIPS APART Trent Green (and BBQ!)... From the "I need some controversial statement ripping KC to generate discussion" department. Where was this comment on Trent Green when I needed it before the draft to discuss with Lamb fans why a first rounder is too much compensation? :) [quote]From Tim of K.C.: "Suddenly all you beat writers seem to think that Elvis Grbac is the best thing to happen to the Ravens ... " I don't like to be addressed as "all you ... " How'd you like it if I said, "Well, all you BBQ eaters ... ?" Personally, I think BBQ is overrated. Take away sugar, and your barbecue would go poof. We seem to be straying. Oh yes, another thing. I'm not a beat writer. I'm a ... a ... (what am I, Linda?) "A beat-nik," she says. See what happens when you get started on an idiot topic? I haven't written a word about Elvis in Baltimore. I will now. Here it is: IMPROVEMENT . Trent Green in K.C.? He was kind of exposed when he had to carry the load in St. Louis. Not able to make the quick decisions or quick deliveries that Warner did. Who can? But still, a bit of the luster is off. [/quote] [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2001/06/08/drz_mailbag/[/url] Last edited by DaWolf; 06-14-2001 at 11:03 AM..
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06-14-2001, 11:09 AM	#2
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	If that's absolutely ripping apart Trent Green, then I must have drawn and quartered the poor guy and sent his parts to the four corners of the globe prior to the trade. If that's the best "Dr. Zzzzzzz" can do, he needs to find another line of work. We'll see what happens in September. I'll just say for now that I like the Green signing a whole lot better than I thought I would, though I remain a skeptic until I see the final product on the field.
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06-14-2001, 11:11 AM	#3
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Well, he does have a pont in regards to Grbac in Baltimore. He <i>is</i> an improvement over Dilfer. His BBQ take was subjective and weak at best. "Take away sugar and..."? Apparently knows nothing of BBQ sauce. [quote]He was kind of exposed when he had to carry the load in St. Louis. Not able to make the quick decisions or quick deliveries that Warner did. Who can? But still, a bit of the luster is off. [/quote] This shows his complete ignorance. Trent Green performaed <i>brilliantly</i> in place of Warner last season. The numbers prove it. No QB performed better in the NFC - INCLUDING Warner. :) __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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06-14-2001, 11:12 AM	#4
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Sorry about the title, I was just trying to sensationalize it to seem like more than it actually is... :)
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06-14-2001, 11:12 AM	#5
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	I can handle criticism of Green, but BBQ? Dr Z is nothing but a damn communist! He obviously has not eaten at Arthur Bryants. I gaurentdamntee you will never hear Peter King badmouth BBQ. This proves a theory I have...fat guys love BBQ. __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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06-14-2001, 11:14 AM	#6
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	You may be right, Mr. Blond. I'm a fat guy and I certainly love BBQ. ;)
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06-14-2001, 11:19 AM	#7
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	That theory is just based on me. I also think that fat guys love to watch tennis only when Anna plays! __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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06-14-2001, 11:20 AM	#8
Warrior5 Stram was Cav Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $9164010	"Dr" Z is probably... a skinny communist who's a closet donkey-fan. __________________ The best pass defense is attacking the passer.
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06-14-2001, 12:01 PM	#9
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	I dunno, 16 TD's to 5 INT's vs Warner's 20 TD's to 18 INT's seem to indicate to me Warner had more problems finding the right guy. Also it should be noted that over a 4 game stretch he played without Faulk in 2 of them, and overall in those 4 games Faulk had just 17 rushes for 60 yards, so teams were not worried about the ground game. Also in those 4 games he played against Carolina, New York, Washington, and New Orleans, all of which had pretty good defenses. His record wasn't helped by the defense...
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06-14-2001, 01:11 PM	#10
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Here's the response I sent to Zimmerman... [quote]"He was kind of exposed when he had to carry the load in St. Louis. Not able to make the quick decisions or quick deliveries that Warner did. Who can? But still, a bit of the luster is off."(in regards to Trent Green -obviously-) I find your ignorance in this statement quite disturbing. For a professional 'beat writer' ;), you sure do jump to quick conclusions w/o doing any research first. FYI: Green attempted 240 passes in 8 games last season(5 starts). He completed 145 for ~61% comp and nearly 2100 yards. Passed for 16TDs, rushed for 1; threw a mere 5 INTs. That equates to a 102 QB rating. Brian Griese was the only QB in the LEAGUE to surpass that: 103 rating. (Warner had a 98 rating) Perhaps you'd like some tasty Arthur Bryants' BBQ sauce -fresh from lovely KC- to smother your foot; next time you insert it, it won't leave such a sour taste.[/quote] Punisher - Green completed 61% of his passes & had a 3 to 1 TD/INT ratio. 102 rating was second in the NFL. What, exactly, does it take to impress you? __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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06-14-2001, 01:21 PM	#11
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Grbac is an upgrade over Dilfer. Had KC signed Dilfer instead of Green, I'd still be happier than I was with Hrbac at the helm.
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06-14-2001, 02:27 PM	#12
jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $9847493	I think it is interesting how vocal people are now that Green is on the "right" team. At the time that we were negotiating a trade, no one was bragging about Green and his performace last season. The arguments being made here today were the same one's StLouis management were using to justify a #1 and #3 pick. Don't get me wrong, I think we are headed in the right direction; I am just amused. Last edited by jAZ; 06-14-2001 at 03:18 PM..
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06-14-2001, 02:28 PM	#13
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	actually pappa, I was all over the Green wagon back in those days. I can bring the old topics back up if you wanna see 'em ;) __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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06-14-2001, 03:04 PM	#14
58Forever It's dejavu all over again! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: at home in my own chair Casino cash: $10004900	I too wanted Green from the start...as a matter of fact, before Grfuk left I kind of had the feeling we'd end up with Green even if Grashole wanted to stay... I loved Grbitch but I like Green better. He seems much smarter, but then again, I could say the same thing about a Rotwieller when compared to Grcocsucker....can you tell I don't like Gr* anymore? As far as the BBQ comment goes...where is this guy based?...probably in some eastern seaboard town where there version of BBQ is a pan fried steak with spicy Hunts Ketchup on it....talk about my QB, my team, my mother but don't mess with my BBQ...fat man working on being thin but will never give up my BBQ...:D __________________ joe If the other team scores zero, three points is enough!** "screw you guys, I'm going home."
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06-14-2001, 05:05 PM	#15
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	[quote] a skinny communist who's a closet donkey-fan. [/quote] You ever seen the 'closet donkey fan' shows in Tijuana?
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