You wanted Greg Robinson, and this is what you get

BroncsWin XXXVI · 09-09-2001, 06:55 PM

Get used to blowing 4th quarter leads with Greg at the helm on D. He's REAL good at it. His 'reactive defense' and isolation philosophy is bullshit, like on the 33 yard throw to Brown that inserted the dagger at the end.

In Denver, the offense could nearly always bail Robinson out. But the Chiefs don't have a good enough offense to cover him up.

**ChiefGator** · 09-09-2001, 07:34 PM

You mean the 33 yard reception the pro-bowler Brown had over a CB that hasn't even started more than five games coming off a rookie year?

Robinon's defense was fine, except for a lack of a pass rush. Gannon had all day to throw the ball, especially in the second quarter. I was favorably impressed by the play of our DB's and the defense against the run.

Robinson had a scheme and we played it well in my opinion. The defense was just on the field too much.

- Mark

**Rausch** · 09-09-2001, 08:07 PM

Actually I was [B]very [/B] impressed with Robinson's defense.

It was the offense that couldn't move the chains that cost us the game. Our defense held the Raiders to an acceptable amount of points considering that our slob center fumbled the ball away twice.

Our offense cost us this game, along with poor special teams play...:mad:

Alphaman · 09-09-2001, 08:15 PM

My only problem with Robinson is that we stopped blitzing Gannon. When we blitzed, good things happened. We need to continue to bring the heat.

09-09-2001, 08:20 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SunshineChief [/i]
Robinon's defense was fine, except for a lack of a pass rush. [QUOTE]

Heh. I don't know how many times in the past six years I've read that very phrase. Kind of amusing reading it here.

**Rausch** · 09-09-2001, 08:23 PM

I thought we had a good pash rush....

Problem was, once we flushed Noodle-arm out of the pocket or hurried him we either missed or [B]didn't bring him down.[/B]

Near misses and amazing escapes. Gannon is slippery.....:mad:

htismaqe · 09-09-2001, 08:24 PM

Yeah, let's point the finger at the defense...

Our offense stunk today, our defense played very well considering...

KCWolfman · 09-09-2001, 08:25 PM

Alpha - You hit it on the nose. Gannon and other weak armed QB's must receive blitz after blitz - It worked for the Ravens and will work with any team that put the coverage on the receivers that we did today.

Raiderhater · 09-09-2001, 08:31 PM

My only real qualm with the D today was that there was too much soft coverage and zones. Sure I think that we should have rushed more (I always think you can rush more), but it was the soft coverage that killed me.

Hader,
hates zone defense

BroncsWin XXXVI · 09-09-2001, 08:37 PM

Maybe I'm mistaken, but KC has always had an attacking defense that produced lots of sacks and pressures, even on elusive QBs. Now it's different. It's "wait and then react," which means bad pass rush unless Greg sends the house, leaving the CBs all alone on an island. Like on the 33 yarder, when the best wide receiver on the field is in man coverage (with a safety 10 yards away). Robinson does produce his share of turnovers, but he loses the gamble a bunch.

You all point fingers at the offense, which is my point. Without Denver's high-powered attack, he's weak. And besides, you had a 17-6 lead, then when it really mattered, the raiders scored 21 points. On your D.

VAChief · 09-09-2001, 08:38 PM

Well when Chester starts prolonging crucial drives by giving teams five yards a pop before they snap the ball...maybe we can call it even!

htismaqe · 09-09-2001, 08:41 PM

Seriously DonksWin,

Your smack is weak...there's some Bronco's fans here that were here before the game and that's cool...

Don't come here after and talk **** unless you want to get punked...

**Rausch** · 09-09-2001, 08:41 PM

Don't forget that we had two costly turnovers by a center who doesn't know his @$$ from a qb....Literally....Two fumbled snaps that gave momentum an points to the Raiders.

If your defense is on the field most of the game they aren't going to play well at the end. We had a green starter at corner and a green Green at qb...

This loss was not Robinson's fault....

KCWolfman · 09-09-2001, 08:41 PM

bronc - During those drives, three should have ended with "in the grasp" "intentional grounding" calls and time outs after the play clock expired. The D did its job on the whole. There is only so much that can be done with poor officiating.

Don't get me wrong, the officiating sucked on both sides, holding and pass interference was rampant, and the players knew they intimidated the officials. But once more, Robinson did his job on three separate drives, the officiating bit him in the *** on all three.

BroncsWin XXXVI · 09-09-2001, 08:57 PM

htisersdoimrtgajxmwlomaqe,

Wow. You're blinding with your smack. Sorry mine is weak to you. I heard on the orangemane that this place was rampant with cheesy homerism, so I checked it out. It's the start of the season, in case you didn't notice. I should have checked the chiefs board manual to see that you have to post before the season starts or it doesn't count. Darn.

The thing about Greg Robinson is, he's okay. But he's not noticeably better than little Schotty was. He's not just what you needed, he's an average coordinator.

I'm just a little disappointed that you guys had the chance to smack the Raiders, our main threat in the division, and gave it away in the end.

09-09-2001, 06:55 PM
BroncsWin XXXVI Rookie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin Casino cash: $10004900	You wanted Greg Robinson, and this is what you get Get used to blowing 4th quarter leads with Greg at the helm on D. He's REAL good at it. His 'reactive defense' and isolation philosophy is bullshit, like on the 33 yard throw to Brown that inserted the dagger at the end. In Denver, the offense could nearly always bail Robinson out. But the Chiefs don't have a good enough offense to cover him up.
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09-09-2001, 07:34 PM	#2
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $7752956	You mean the 33 yard reception the pro-bowler Brown had over a CB that hasn't even started more than five games coming off a rookie year? Robinon's defense was fine, except for a lack of a pass rush. Gannon had all day to throw the ball, especially in the second quarter. I was favorably impressed by the play of our DB's and the defense against the run. Robinson had a scheme and we played it well in my opinion. The defense was just on the field too much. - Mark
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09-09-2001, 08:15 PM	#4
Alphaman Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Austin, TX, USA Casino cash: $10004900	My only problem with Robinson is that we stopped blitzing Gannon. When we blitzed, good things happened. We need to continue to bring the heat.
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09-09-2001, 08:20 PM	#5
Taco John Guest Casino cash: $	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SunshineChief [/i] Robinon's defense was fine, except for a lack of a pass rush. [QUOTE] Heh. I don't know how many times in the past six years I've read that very phrase. Kind of amusing reading it here.
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09-09-2001, 08:24 PM	#7
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Yeah, let's point the finger at the defense... Our offense stunk today, our defense played very well considering...
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09-09-2001, 08:25 PM	#8
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Alpha - You hit it on the nose. Gannon and other weak armed QB's must receive blitz after blitz - It worked for the Ravens and will work with any team that put the coverage on the receivers that we did today. __________________ How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! Samuel Adams
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09-09-2001, 08:31 PM	#9
Raiderhater **** the Raiders Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: A Webb of chaos Casino cash: $2172021	My only real qualm with the D today was that there was too much soft coverage and zones. Sure I think that we should have rushed more (I always think you can rush more), but it was the soft coverage that killed me. Hader, hates zone defense __________________ "Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, and disregard of all the rules." -- George Orwell, Shooting an Elephant
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09-09-2001, 08:37 PM	#10
BroncsWin XXXVI Rookie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin Casino cash: $10004900	Maybe I'm mistaken, but KC has always had an attacking defense that produced lots of sacks and pressures, even on elusive QBs. Now it's different. It's "wait and then react," which means bad pass rush unless Greg sends the house, leaving the CBs all alone on an island. Like on the 33 yarder, when the best wide receiver on the field is in man coverage (with a safety 10 yards away). Robinson does produce his share of turnovers, but he loses the gamble a bunch. You all point fingers at the offense, which is my point. Without Denver's high-powered attack, he's weak. And besides, you had a 17-6 lead, then when it really mattered, the raiders scored 21 points. On your D. __________________ If the NFL were like English Premier League Soccer, the chiefs would have been banished to the CFL by now.
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VAChief Comfortably Numb Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $5215842	Well when Chester starts prolonging crucial drives by giving teams five yards a pop before they snap the ball...maybe we can call it even!
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09-09-2001, 08:41 PM	#12
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Seriously DonksWin, Your smack is weak...there's some Bronco's fans here that were here before the game and that's cool... Don't come here after and talk **** unless you want to get punked...
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09-09-2001, 08:57 PM	#15
BroncsWin XXXVI Rookie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin Casino cash: $10004900	htisersdoimrtgajxmwlomaqe, Wow. You're blinding with your smack. Sorry mine is weak to you. I heard on the orangemane that this place was rampant with cheesy homerism, so I checked it out. It's the start of the season, in case you didn't notice. I should have checked the chiefs board manual to see that you have to post before the season starts or it doesn't count. Darn. The thing about Greg Robinson is, he's okay. But he's not noticeably better than little Schotty was. He's not just what you needed, he's an average coordinator. I'm just a little disappointed that you guys had the chance to smack the Raiders, our main threat in the division, and gave it away in the end. __________________ If the NFL were like English Premier League Soccer, the chiefs would have been banished to the CFL by now.
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