Is it better not to take Miami's 6th?

[morphius]

I don't think you give up a QB to another team in the AFC for what is most likely a practice squad player, if he is even that lucky. Especially when you can get a 5th rounder for a kick returner.

Seriously, if we are going to cut him I think we don't drop him until after June 1st, so that they are forced to try to fit all of Trent's training in after all of the mini camps are done. Sure we wouldn't get anything for him, but we would put Miami pretty far behind to prove a point.

[tk13]

If we don't have to cut him I'd keep him. Carl played this thing like he was supposed to. I thought all along that Carl originally said a 2nd, Miami said a 6th, and logic dictated they'd meet in the middle in the 4th round, that's what negotiation is. Carl did it right on his end, and Miami just didn't do anything, so screw them. I'd really rather Carl not budge below the 4th rounder, although I could see them meeting at a 5th rounder next year.

[bigbucks24]

Originally Posted by tk13

If we don't have to cut him I'd keep him. Carl played this thing like he was supposed to. I thought all along that Carl originally said a 2nd, Miami said a 6th, and logic dictated they'd meet in the middle in the 4th round, that's what negotiation is. Carl did it right on his end, and Miami just didn't do anything, so screw them. I'd really rather Carl not budge below the 4th rounder, although I could see them meeting at a 5th rounder next year.

So all negotiations are about meeting in the middle? All negoations are about both sides compromising? What if Arizona wanted to trade you Edge to be your back-up to LJ. They are asking for a 1st. You say Edge is old as dirt and won't be around for more than a year...we'll give you a 7th. Does this mean you HAVE to settle on a 4th? Edge isn't worth a 4th...everyone knows that. If you feel like Edge is worth no more than a 7th, why would you "negotiate" to a 4th?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by bigbucks24

So all negotiations are about meeting in the middle? All negoations are about both sides compromising? What if Arizona wanted to trade you Edge to be your back-up to LJ. They are asking for a 1st. You say Edge is old as dirt and won't be around for more than a year...we'll give you a 7th. Does this mean you HAVE to settle on a 4th? Edge isn't worth a 4th...everyone knows that. If you feel like Edge is worth no more than a 7th, why would you "negotiate" to a 4th?

No, obviously not. You're being a bit too literal. It just works in this particular instance. Steve McNair was traded last year for a 4th, both sides started where a 4th round pick was right in the middle. It just seemed like the logical thing to do. I don't think Carl should budge too far from a 4th, if Miami doesn't think he's worth that, then let's keep him. Then again Miami didn't have a 5th this year... so who knows. Miami's shown this weekend they might not have the best value-judgment skills anyway.

[bigbucks24]

Originally Posted by tk13

No, obviously not. You're being a bit too literal. It just works in this particular instance. Steve McNair was traded last year for a 4th, both sides started where a 4th round pick was right in the middle. It just seemed like the logical thing to do. I don't think Carl should budge too far from a 4th, if Miami doesn't think he's worth that, then let's keep him. Then again Miami didn't have a 5th this year... so who knows. Miami's shown this weekend they might not have the best value-judgment skills anyway.

Keep in mind, value is what you can get for someone....not what you think they are worth. Trent and his $7.2 million contract have very little value--even though the Chiefs think he does. Because he won't renegotiate with anyone (including the Chiefs from what I have heard), he only has value to the Phins.

I also don't believe you establish your price depending on what others did. Just because other overpaid (in your opinion) does not mean that you have to. And keep in mind that McNair was 3 1/2 years younger when he was aquired and for a lower 4th round pick.

Lastly, I'm not sure the Phins screwed the pooch on the draft pick. They spent more time with Brady Quinn than anyone and came away thinking Beck was better. Had they not done their due diligence with him or just taken him to dinner (LOL), I might agree. But Shea was the one that was working him our before his pro day so I get the feeling we knew a lot about him. I guess we'll see.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by bigbucks24

Keep in mind, value is what you can get for someone....not what you think they are worth. Trent and his $7.2 million contract have very little value--even though the Chiefs think he does. Because he won't renegotiate with anyone (including the Chiefs from what I have heard), he only has value to the Phins.

I also don't believe you establish your price depending on what others did. Just because other overpaid (in your opinion) does not mean that you have to. And keep in mind that McNair was 3 1/2 years younger when he was aquired and for a lower 4th round pick.

Lastly, I'm not sure the Phins screwed the pooch on the draft pick. They spent more time with Brady Quinn than anyone and came away thinking Beck was better. Had they not done their due diligence with him or just taken him to dinner (LOL), I might agree. But Shea was the one that was working him our before his pro day so I get the feeling we knew a lot about him. I guess we'll see.

I believe he has worked out a contract with Miami.

[stlchiefs]

I don't think anybody expects a 3rd. Many would love a 3rd. Most think a 4th or 5th would be fair. A 6th is low and a 7th is just a pity pick. The Snowflakes didn't have a 5th so a 4th is what was fair this year. Now how it goes down, who knows, usually teams get one round higher than they would in the current years draft or the addition of a 6th or 7th.

I just hope Trent can get his equipment back from Miami

[bigbucks24]

Originally Posted by stlchiefs

I don't think anybody expects a 3rd. Many would love a 3rd. Most think a 4th or 5th would be fair. A 6th is low and a 7th is just a pity pick. The Snowflakes didn't have a 5th so a 4th is what was fair this year. Now how it goes down, who knows, usually teams get one round higher than they would in the current years draft or the addition of a 6th or 7th.

I just hope Trent can get his equipment back from Miami

That part is kinda weird, isn't it? Then again, it's only a rumor that they sent his stuff to Miami.

I've got nothing against Trent. He's a class guy and a has been a great QB for the Chiefs. I've been in KC for 4 years and have enjoyed watching him. I think he would be a great mentor of Beck and upgrade our QB position. However, like any of you, I don't want to give up good draft picks. Do I want something for nothing? YES! But so do you. We are rebuilding just like you and need all the draft picks we can get. Were we NE or Indy or Balt or someone making a run, I could see it. We suck worse than you. Why would we want to give up draft picks for a 1 or 2 year stop gap when we already suck?