Chiefs Albert/Joeckel perspective - Page 16

**cdcox** · 04-18-2013, 11:01 PM

How would you feel if the Chiefs had the #2 overall pick and packaged it and Albert for Joeckel? Because that's what the Chiefs are on the brink of doing.

#1 pick = 3000 points
#54 pick = 360 points

difference is 2640 points

#2 pick is worth 2600 points

Chiefs are going to invest 3000 - 360 = 2640 points to replace Albert with Joeckel. It could be a good deal for the Chiefs if 1) Albert is out of the league in two years, 2) Jockel is a HOFer and 3) the alternatives (like Geno) don't have very good careers.

**SAUTO** · 04-19-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Quality trolling Dane

Damn I ****ing hope not...
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**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Yeah it does.

Replace want with wasn't.

I wasn't one of the people that thought a year was a big deal.

Neither were you iirc, but yet now you used it as a plus for bray over Geno.

That's hypocritical.
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Good God

Pasta Little Brioni · 04-19-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Damn I ****ing hope not...
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He even SAID what he was doing in an earlier thread

**SAUTO** · 04-19-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Good God

What?

It's the ****ing truth.

If you argue with people about using something and tell then how dumb they are and then turn around and use the same thing to prop you up it's hypocritical...

But that's you anymore buddy
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**SAUTO** · 04-19-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

He even SAID what he was doing in an earlier thread

That's ****ed up.

Really. It's one thing to troll the dipshits that come here from somewhere just to troll us.

But you don't do it to people you claim as friends...

Especially all the personal attacks.
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**Tribal Warfare** · 04-19-2013, 05:34 PM

Chiefs narrow draft prospects to four
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Three months have passed since John Dorsey was hired as general manager of the Chiefs. Most of his waking hours, not to mention those of the scouts, have been spent researching players available in the upcoming NFL Draft.

But Dorsey said Friday, six days before the Chiefs are scheduled to make the first overall pick in the draft, they haven’t settled on the player they would select. Dorsey did say the Chiefs narrowed the list of candidates to four, though he wouldn’t identify them.

“You still have to give yourself some options,’’ Dorsey said at his predraft news conference. “What you kind of do now is just kind of see how these four guys play and kind of watch the games as they’re played. You understand them as people, now watch them play their respective position.

“When that curtain is raised on Thursday, we’ll be ready. But right now it’s still ongoing and you never know what’s going to happen.’’

Dorsey and coach Andy Reid said early in the draft process they wanted to select the best available player for the Chiefs and not pick to merely fill a hole in the lineup. But the Chiefs still have an issue at left tackle, an important position, where Branden Albert is the incumbent.

Two of the players generally considered to be among the top available players, Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M and Eric Fisher of Central Michigan, are offensive tackles. At this point, since the Chiefs have offered Albert in trade talks, it would be an upset if they picked someone other than Fisher and Joeckel.

Buzz among scouts around the league is that the Chiefs prefer Joeckel. Dorsey on Friday wouldn’t venture into the Joeckel vs. Fisher debate.

“They’re both really fine football players,’’ Dorsey said. “This year the offensive line position has some true prospects in it.’’

This year’s draft is generally considered to have a lot of good available players but not the star quality among the top prospects. Asked whether Joeckel and Fisher would be considered top draft prospects in another year, Dorsey said, “Every draft has its unique characteristics. The unique characteristics are that there are offensive linemen in this draft, defensive linemen in this draft and corners.’’

At other positions, the Chiefs attempted to fill holes with veterans. They traded for or signed several players who will at least compete for starting spots, including quarterback Alex Smith, wide receiver Donnie Avery, tight end Anthony Fasano, offensive lineman Geoff Schwartz, defensive lineman Mike DeVito, linebacker Akeem Jordan and cornerbacks Sean Smith and Dunta Robinson.

“We tried to fill in in free agency a little bit,’’ Dorsey said. “We secured players for the existing team. In order to move ahead, you have to make those types of moves. I’m very happy with the free agents we signed. Now you look forward to the college drafting part of it and then you get ready for training camp.’’

Dorsey indicated the Chiefs would listen to any trade offers for the draft’s top pick that might come their way. That’s why the Chiefs might not rush to the podium with their pick once the draft begins next Thursday night, not necessarily to build suspense but in hope of receiving a strong trade proposal.

“What I have to do is what’s best for the Kansas City Chiefs organization,’’ Dorsey said. “I’ll explore every option available. You have all the way up to that last minute, so we’ll see.’’

Once they finish the draft, the Chiefs are almost ready to head to camp. The only nagging issue is that surrounding Albert.

When the sides failed to agree on terms of a long-term contract, the Chiefs designated Albert as their franchise player. He signed the one-year, $9.83 million contract the Chiefs were obligated to offer him but since demonstrated his unhappiness with the situation with both his words and by holding out from the Chiefs offseason conditioning program.

He was absent from the three-day mini-camp this week.

Dorsey repeated what Reid said the previous day, that the Chiefs have given the Miami Dolphins permission to speak with Albert’s agent, but not Albert himself.

Even that move seems a logical step in the trade process but Dorsey said the Chiefs weren’t committed to trading Albert.

“Branden Albert is a good football player,’’ he said. “We wouldn’t have stuck the franchise tag on him if he wasn’t. It’s my job to explore all options and that’s kind of what’s going on.’’

**RealSNR** · 04-19-2013, 05:39 PM

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I still think this is nothing compared to 09. Some have switched sides, but it's not quite the bloodbath it was.

2009 was the first wave of CP's French Revolution. For crying out loud, we still had people who thought we should give Tyler Thigpen an honest shot at the starting QB position once Brokie got his annual owie on his vagina. It took a bit of time, but soon the concept of drafting a QB with a high first round pick became a popular idea. Once the drafturbators had full power, they were firmly in control when Cassel was yucking it up.

Think of Geno as Napoleon. Under him (or the idea of drafting a QB and uniting all of the fans under one emperor) the Chiefs Planet nation was strong. We WERE the SOC movement. We had spread over into Europe (Arrowhead), conquering the hearts and minds of all kinds of dumbass true fans who just like hanging out in the parking lot. Chiefs Planet was a great ****ing place. We could do anything.

After we pass on Geno, we will have exiled him to Elba. The dream will die except for the select few still loyal to him. I imagine that Geno Smith will be the butt of jokes in a few years.

Thankfully, Alex Smith is here to fight for us at the Council of Vienna. They will decide that the Chiefs must be punished and remain irrelevant and without a playoff win. However, we WILL be allowed to exist, still, and given just a little bit of political sovereignty and power. It's needed for the balance of the NFL. We need to be there to create parody with the one game we get lucky with each year. We also need to occasionally challenge for playoff seeds and serve as the hapless villain that all the heroic teams slay before going on to bigger and better things.

kcbubb · 04-19-2013, 05:41 PM

I think you guys who really want Geno have to look at it from the $$$ perspective, not from a building a team perspective.

Alex Smith will cost roughly 7.5 mill this year.

Brandon Albert will probably cost around 11 mill this year.

The Chiefs will most likely trade Albert for a 2nd round pick, which basically means the Chiefs traded Albert for Smith, except for the pick the next year. This was a $$$ move.

**SAUTO** · 04-19-2013, 05:42 PM

Money moves don't win super bowls
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Hammock Parties · 04-19-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

2009 was the first wave of CP's French Revolution. For crying out loud, we still had people who thought we should give Tyler Thigpen an honest shot at the starting QB position once Brokie got his annual owie on his vagina. It took a bit of time, but soon the concept of drafting a QB with a high first round pick became a popular idea. Once the drafturbators had full power, they were firmly in control when Cassel was yucking it up.

Think of Geno as Napoleon. Under him (or the idea of drafting a QB and uniting all of the fans under one emperor) the Chiefs Planet nation was strong. We WERE the SOC movement. We had spread over into Europe (Arrowhead), conquering the hearts and minds of all kinds of dumbass true fans who just like hanging out in the parking lot. Chiefs Planet was a great ****ing place. We could do anything.

After we pass on Geno, we will have exiled him to Elba. The dream will die except for the select few still loyal to him. I imagine that Geno Smith will be the butt of jokes in a few years.

Thankfully, Alex Smith is here to fight for us at the Council of Vienna. They will decide that the Chiefs must be punished and remain irrelevant and without a playoff win. However, we WILL be allowed to exist, still, and given just a little bit of political sovereignty and power. It's needed for the balance of the NFL. We need to be there to create parody with the one game we get lucky with each year. We also need to occasionally challenge for playoff seeds and serve as the hapless villain that all the heroic teams slay before going on to bigger and better things.

**RealSNR** · 04-19-2013, 05:46 PM

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duncan_idaho · 04-19-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I think you guys who really want Geno have to look at it from the $$$ perspective, not from a building a team perspective.

Alex Smith will cost roughly 7.5 mill this year.

Brandon Albert will probably cost around 11 mill this year.

The Chiefs will most likely trade Albert for a 2nd round pick, which basically means the Chiefs traded Albert for Smith, except for the pick the next year. This was a $$$ move.

Considering the Chiefs have spent the past 4 years managed by the cheapest GM in football and have plenty of salary cap space, this argument holds no sway with me.

Inexcusable if it truly is a money issue.

Chris Meck · 04-19-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The impending Albert trade and the Alex Smith trade both affect the Chiefs' options and movements in the draft's first two rounds. Only reason I consider both when looking at the Chiefs' movements regarding these players.

Yes, except that you can't JUST group these two moves together and declare "FAIL". There have been several moves made, and they will either overall make for a better team or not. You can't cherry pick two you don't like and ignore the rest.

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Filling the gaping hole at QB doesn't do much good, IMO, if you don't fill it with someone you can win long-term with.

If they truly are grading the QBs out as basically the same and are able to trade Albert for a pick that allows them to get one of those guys, a lot of my concerns will fade away.

Look at it like this-You're Dorsey. You don't think any of these QB's in the draft are ready to play. You've got Matt ****ing Cassell and Brady ****ing Quinn. You're screwed. What are you going to do? Are you playing Madden football and can just put it on auto pilot, lose 14 again and see who's in next year's draft? Hell no. You need to try to win games. What's your best option? You don't like Geno Smith. You're not crazy about any of them. What other choice do you have, exactly? Take the best veteran you can get and then draft the project that you think you can groom.

duncan_idaho · 04-19-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Yes, except that you can't JUST group these two moves together and declare "FAIL". There have been several moves made, and they will either overall make for a better team or not. You can't cherry pick two you don't like and ignore the rest.

Look at it like this-You're Dorsey. You don't think any of these QB's in the draft are ready to play. You've got Matt ****ing Cassell and Brady ****ing Quinn. You're screwed. What are you going to do? Are you playing Madden football and can just put it on auto pilot, lose 14 again and see who's in next year's draft? Hell no. You need to try to win games. What's your best option? You don't like Geno Smith. You're not crazy about any of them. What other choice do you have, exactly? Take the best veteran you can get and then draft the project that you think you can groom.

If I'm Dorsey, I realize it's Year 1 and it doesn't matter what my record is in Year 1. It matters what my record is in Years 4-6.

What he's doing is great for his job security and will please the hell out of true fans. The Chiefs will be DECENT, Arrowhead will fill up, and so will Clark Hunt's pockets.

It's not great for building a team that can actually win in the playoffs unless they get REALLY ****ing lucky and find a gem in rounds 3 or later this year or next.

WhiteWhale · 04-19-2013, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It IS outdated.

JFC.

So, you and ALL of your buddies have SPAMMED this forum with "It's CHEAP to take a QB" because of the new CBA, right?

But, you're going to say that compensation should remain the same?

What the ****?

I don't give a flying **** what Washington gave up for RGIII. Any team that is going to demand the same compensation Pre-2011 CBA as Post 2011 CBA is smoking crack.

ANY salesman worth his salt would say "**** off".

New rules.

If something coveted is financially cheaper, while keeping in mind supplies are limited to ONE, you think that will drive down demand in terms of draft compensation?

04-18-2013, 11:01 PM
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $2271769	Albert/Joeckel perspective How would you feel if the Chiefs had the #2 overall pick and packaged it and Albert for Joeckel? Because that's what the Chiefs are on the brink of doing. #1 pick = 3000 points #54 pick = 360 points difference is 2640 points #2 pick is worth 2600 points Chiefs are going to invest 3000 - 360 = 2640 points to replace Albert with Joeckel. It could be a good deal for the Chiefs if 1) Albert is out of the league in two years, 2) Jockel is a HOFer and 3) the alternatives (like Geno) don't have very good careers.
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Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $802813	Chiefs narrow draft prospects to four By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Three months have passed since John Dorsey was hired as general manager of the Chiefs. Most of his waking hours, not to mention those of the scouts, have been spent researching players available in the upcoming NFL Draft. But Dorsey said Friday, six days before the Chiefs are scheduled to make the first overall pick in the draft, they haven’t settled on the player they would select. Dorsey did say the Chiefs narrowed the list of candidates to four, though he wouldn’t identify them. “You still have to give yourself some options,’’ Dorsey said at his predraft news conference. “What you kind of do now is just kind of see how these four guys play and kind of watch the games as they’re played. You understand them as people, now watch them play their respective position. “When that curtain is raised on Thursday, we’ll be ready. But right now it’s still ongoing and you never know what’s going to happen.’’ Dorsey and coach Andy Reid said early in the draft process they wanted to select the best available player for the Chiefs and not pick to merely fill a hole in the lineup. But the Chiefs still have an issue at left tackle, an important position, where Branden Albert is the incumbent. Two of the players generally considered to be among the top available players, Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M and Eric Fisher of Central Michigan, are offensive tackles. At this point, since the Chiefs have offered Albert in trade talks, it would be an upset if they picked someone other than Fisher and Joeckel. Buzz among scouts around the league is that the Chiefs prefer Joeckel. Dorsey on Friday wouldn’t venture into the Joeckel vs. Fisher debate. “They’re both really fine football players,’’ Dorsey said. “This year the offensive line position has some true prospects in it.’’ This year’s draft is generally considered to have a lot of good available players but not the star quality among the top prospects. Asked whether Joeckel and Fisher would be considered top draft prospects in another year, Dorsey said, “Every draft has its unique characteristics. The unique characteristics are that there are offensive linemen in this draft, defensive linemen in this draft and corners.’’ At other positions, the Chiefs attempted to fill holes with veterans. They traded for or signed several players who will at least compete for starting spots, including quarterback Alex Smith, wide receiver Donnie Avery, tight end Anthony Fasano, offensive lineman Geoff Schwartz, defensive lineman Mike DeVito, linebacker Akeem Jordan and cornerbacks Sean Smith and Dunta Robinson. “We tried to fill in in free agency a little bit,’’ Dorsey said. “We secured players for the existing team. In order to move ahead, you have to make those types of moves. I’m very happy with the free agents we signed. Now you look forward to the college drafting part of it and then you get ready for training camp.’’ Dorsey indicated the Chiefs would listen to any trade offers for the draft’s top pick that might come their way. That’s why the Chiefs might not rush to the podium with their pick once the draft begins next Thursday night, not necessarily to build suspense but in hope of receiving a strong trade proposal. “What I have to do is what’s best for the Kansas City Chiefs organization,’’ Dorsey said. “I’ll explore every option available. You have all the way up to that last minute, so we’ll see.’’ Once they finish the draft, the Chiefs are almost ready to head to camp. The only nagging issue is that surrounding Albert. When the sides failed to agree on terms of a long-term contract, the Chiefs designated Albert as their franchise player. He signed the one-year, $9.83 million contract the Chiefs were obligated to offer him but since demonstrated his unhappiness with the situation with both his words and by holding out from the Chiefs offseason conditioning program. He was absent from the three-day mini-camp this week. Dorsey repeated what Reid said the previous day, that the Chiefs have given the Miami Dolphins permission to speak with Albert’s agent, but not Albert himself. Even that move seems a logical step in the trade process but Dorsey said the Chiefs weren’t committed to trading Albert. “Branden Albert is a good football player,’’ he said. “We wouldn’t have stuck the franchise tag on him if he wasn’t. It’s my job to explore all options and that’s kind of what’s going on.’’ __________________
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kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6076719	I think you guys who really want Geno have to look at it from the $$$ perspective, not from a building a team perspective. Alex Smith will cost roughly 7.5 mill this year. Brandon Albert will probably cost around 11 mill this year. The Chiefs will most likely trade Albert for a 2nd round pick, which basically means the Chiefs traded Albert for Smith, except for the pick the next year. This was a $$$ move.
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