No More Salary Cap After 2009? - Page 2

**doomy3** · 01-31-2008, 09:08 PM

This would not be good at all for the Chiefs IMO. Seems like Upshaw is getting greedy here. The NFL needs a salary cap IMO, and it is one thing that has helped make the strategic side of the NFL worthwhile. Unlike baseball, where the richest teams have a huge advantage. Hopefully this doesn't happen. Here's the link:

Jan. 31 - 7:11 pm et

NFL Players Association director Gene Upshaw expects the owners to terminate the current Collective Bargaining Agreement in November 2008.

That would make 2009 the last year of the salary cap, and 2010 an uncapped year. The players will not agree to another salary cap if it gets to that point. Upshaw says the NFLPA won't hesitate to strike. "This isn't hockey, where the players agreed to a 25 percent pay cut," a defiant Upshaw said. "We're not going to do anything like that."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1544

Mecca · 02-01-2008, 12:07 AM

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/261645.html

Denver Broncos owner Pat Bowlen let loose with a rant on the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement last week. It didn’t get a lot of attention nationally, but it raised eyebrows in league circles.

Bowlen admitted in Denver’s Rocky Mountain News that every team in the league, even his large-market club, is feeling the sting of the labor agreement that was signed before the 2006 season.

“Cash is an issue in the National Football League,” Bowlen told the paper. “I think it’s pretty common knowledge our last labor agreement is not our smartest move, and that we’re way beyond, and I’m not talking about just the Denver Broncos, I’m talking about just the league in general . . . we being we collectively, 32 teams, can’t live with this deal.”

This isn’t small-market owner Ralph Wilson of the Bills or Mike Brown of the Bengals complaining. Bowlen is the chairman of the NFL’s labor committee.

Bowlen’s view has major implications. In 10 months, on Nov. 8, the league’s 32 owners must decide whether they want to opt out of the agreement, which runs through the end of the 2012 season. It takes only nine votes to opt out. If that happens, it would trigger a new wide-open negotiation and create the possibility of work stoppage in 2009.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is going to try to head off that possibility in negotiations with the NFL Players Association this year. The owners will try to get back some of what they bargained away. That will be very hard to do. Bowlen’s comments make it clear: an opt out is a real possibility.

Bowlen’s comments

also show that spending “cash to cap” is becoming a priority for many teams, not just Buffalo. Cash to cap means not spending more in real dollars than the cap total, which this year was about $109 million.

Bowlen admitted that even his Broncos have increased the use of deferred money in contracts and used “split bonuses” with players at the bottom end of the roster as a way of saving cash this year. (If a player with a split bonus isn’t still on the roster toward the end of the year, he doesn’t get the second half of the bonus.)

The Broncos have used free agency more extensively than a lot of teams in building their club. Bowlen said his team will be more careful in free agency in the future.

“The lesson in free agency is slowly being learned,” Bowlen said. “And I think that we probably learned it as much as anybody. . . . That’s for all teams, sort of leveling off now, saying, ‘Just a minute, our payrolls are over the top, we’re taking bigger risks than we thought with some guys and we’ve got to be a lot more vigilant in how we do it.’ ”

Most owners run their teams like a business. They want to make money. They don’t like what paying the players 59 percent of all revenue (as dictated by the new labor deal) does to their profit margins.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-01-2008, 12:50 AM

That's all well and good, but do they really think that they'll make MORE money without a cap?

Why shouldn't the players get 59% of revenue? Without them, there wouldn't be a National Football League. No players, no games, no revenue.

Franchises that were worth $100M 10 years ago are now worth upwards of $900M.

Owners can cry poormouth until they are blue in the face, the cap is the only thing keeping things competitive.

Without it, the NFL becomes MLB. Boring as **** because the large market teams can outspend everyone by 100% or more, and basically hire mercenaries.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't figure for the life of me why owners think they'd be better off without a cap, because if they terminate the agreement, that's what they're gonna get.

Mecca · 02-01-2008, 01:10 AM

They don't want a no cap, that's basically the players union response to the owners saying this is a shitty deal we don't like...

The current agreement leads to having a cap but small market teams getting jobbed because of the level of the cap...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-01-2008, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

They don't want a no cap, that's basically the players union response to the owners saying this is a shitty deal we don't like...

The current agreement leads to having a cap but small market teams getting jobbed because of the level of the cap...

Exactly.

Which is why I can't fathom the owners terminating THIS deal, when they KNOW the players union won't accept a new deal with a cap.

Seems like a HUGE gamble to take that they MIGHT be able to negotiate their way out of a mess.

Which would be worse? The current deal with a cap, or a new deal without?

mikey23545 · 02-01-2008, 03:25 AM

Time to call up some strike players and have a lockout.

Micjones · 02-01-2008, 04:43 AM

The NFL will become an afterthought, quickly, if they scrap the salary cap.

Hologide · 02-01-2008, 06:03 AM

If they know what's good for them, they wont scrap the cap.

or else it'll end up like the english premier league, the same 3/4 teams winning the superbowl year after year after year

**BigRedChief** · 02-01-2008, 06:23 AM

This just has to be posturing. But some pretty smart people have made bad decisions in the past. Getting rid of the cap in the NFL would be disasterous.

bkkcoh · 03-12-2008, 11:37 AM

Link

NFL Players Association Executive Director Gene Upshaw says he believes the owners are setting the stage for a lockout that could threaten the 2011 NFL season.

“That’s where we’re headed. They’re going to try to lock us out,” Upshaw tells Lester Munson of ESPN.com.

The Collective Bargaining Agreement is set to expire after the 2010 season, and the owners and the players appear far off from any type of negotiations that could lead to an agreement to extend labor peace beyond 2010. The owners think they gave up too much during the last round of negotiations.

“They think [the current deal] is too rich for the players, and they want to take some back,” Upshaw said.

Adds union attorney Jeffrey Kessler, “The problem is that the owners could not agree among themselves on how they would share their revenues. The high-revenue teams do not want to share money they earn in their markets, and the low-revenue teams are unhappy about everything. So they find a place to agree — they try to get it back from the players.”

The 2011 season might feel like it’s a long way off, but the owners and the union should be addressing these issues now to avoid a labor stoppage.

**Iowanian** · 03-12-2008, 11:50 AM

That would be horrible for the nfl and its fans.

What they need to do(Gene upshaw go away) is implement slotted rookie salaries, make them 3 year contracts, give the drafting team first right to negotiate, like RFA, and make the rooks EARN those huge paydays. It would be more money available for vets as well...so the NFLPA wins anyway.

bkkcoh · 03-12-2008, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian

That would be horrible for the nfl and its fans.

What they need to do(Gene upshaw go away) is implement slotted rookie salaries, make them 3 year contracts, give the drafting team first right to negotiate, like RFA, and make the rooks EARN those huge paydays. It would be more money available for vets as well...so the NFLPA wins anyway.

But the only problem, they would still be more popular sport in the US.

I do like how the NBA does their rookies contracts. Not sure how the NFL would like something like that, but I would tend to agree that it is needed.

**Iowanian** · 03-12-2008, 12:05 PM

I just like it because 1. It gets rookies right into offseason training, mini camps and training camp...no more holding out until week 2.

The vets always cry about unfair salaries and limits of caps...this makes the market for the 2nd and 3rd contract more lucritive because so much money isn't wasted on duds.

nychief · 03-12-2008, 12:10 PM

just blowing smoke...

Brock · 03-12-2008, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief

just blowing smoke...

I doubt it.

xbarretx · 03-12-2008, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

This would be hilarious to happen. Go ahead and strike...do that and the NFL is dead. They'll never recover if they do. Like everything else people will move to different media. TV is going to be completely ****ed by the writers strike and may never recover. People have moved on to online and other media. You want to strike in today's day and age and you die...pure and simple.

thank you, this is 90000000% correct. its so correct its not mathematically possible to be so correct!

01-31-2008, 09:08 PM
doomy3 Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $5353539	No More Salary Cap After 2009? This would not be good at all for the Chiefs IMO. Seems like Upshaw is getting greedy here. The NFL needs a salary cap IMO, and it is one thing that has helped make the strategic side of the NFL worthwhile. Unlike baseball, where the richest teams have a huge advantage. Hopefully this doesn't happen. Here's the link: Jan. 31 - 7:11 pm et NFL Players Association director Gene Upshaw expects the owners to terminate the current Collective Bargaining Agreement in November 2008. That would make 2009 the last year of the salary cap, and 2010 an uncapped year. The players will not agree to another salary cap if it gets to that point. Upshaw says the NFLPA won't hesitate to strike. "This isn't hockey, where the players agreed to a 25 percent pay cut," a defiant Upshaw said. "We're not going to do anything like that." http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1544
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02-01-2008, 12:07 AM	#16
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2597050	http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/261645.html Denver Broncos owner Pat Bowlen let loose with a rant on the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement last week. It didn’t get a lot of attention nationally, but it raised eyebrows in league circles. Bowlen admitted in Denver’s Rocky Mountain News that every team in the league, even his large-market club, is feeling the sting of the labor agreement that was signed before the 2006 season. “Cash is an issue in the National Football League,” Bowlen told the paper. “I think it’s pretty common knowledge our last labor agreement is not our smartest move, and that we’re way beyond, and I’m not talking about just the Denver Broncos, I’m talking about just the league in general . . . we being we collectively, 32 teams, can’t live with this deal.” This isn’t small-market owner Ralph Wilson of the Bills or Mike Brown of the Bengals complaining. Bowlen is the chairman of the NFL’s labor committee. Bowlen’s view has major implications. In 10 months, on Nov. 8, the league’s 32 owners must decide whether they want to opt out of the agreement, which runs through the end of the 2012 season. It takes only nine votes to opt out. If that happens, it would trigger a new wide-open negotiation and create the possibility of work stoppage in 2009. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is going to try to head off that possibility in negotiations with the NFL Players Association this year. The owners will try to get back some of what they bargained away. That will be very hard to do. Bowlen’s comments make it clear: an opt out is a real possibility. Bowlen’s comments also show that spending “cash to cap” is becoming a priority for many teams, not just Buffalo. Cash to cap means not spending more in real dollars than the cap total, which this year was about $109 million. Bowlen admitted that even his Broncos have increased the use of deferred money in contracts and used “split bonuses” with players at the bottom end of the roster as a way of saving cash this year. (If a player with a split bonus isn’t still on the roster toward the end of the year, he doesn’t get the second half of the bonus.) The Broncos have used free agency more extensively than a lot of teams in building their club. Bowlen said his team will be more careful in free agency in the future. “The lesson in free agency is slowly being learned,” Bowlen said. “And I think that we probably learned it as much as anybody. . . . That’s for all teams, sort of leveling off now, saying, ‘Just a minute, our payrolls are over the top, we’re taking bigger risks than we thought with some guys and we’ve got to be a lot more vigilant in how we do it.’ ” Most owners run their teams like a business. They want to make money. They don’t like what paying the players 59 percent of all revenue (as dictated by the new labor deal) does to their profit margins.
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4901115	That's all well and good, but do they really think that they'll make MORE money without a cap? Why shouldn't the players get 59% of revenue? Without them, there wouldn't be a National Football League. No players, no games, no revenue. Franchises that were worth $100M 10 years ago are now worth upwards of $900M. Owners can cry poormouth until they are blue in the face, the cap is the only thing keeping things competitive. Without it, the NFL becomes MLB. Boring as **** because the large market teams can outspend everyone by 100% or more, and basically hire mercenaries. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't figure for the life of me why owners think they'd be better off without a cap, because if they terminate the agreement, that's what they're gonna get.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2597050	They don't want a no cap, that's basically the players union response to the owners saying this is a shitty deal we don't like... The current agreement leads to having a cap but small market teams getting jobbed because of the level of the cap...
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bkkcoh MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lewis Center, Ohio USA Casino cash: $9805595	Link NFL Players Association Executive Director Gene Upshaw says he believes the owners are setting the stage for a lockout that could threaten the 2011 NFL season. “That’s where we’re headed. They’re going to try to lock us out,” Upshaw tells Lester Munson of ESPN.com. The Collective Bargaining Agreement is set to expire after the 2010 season, and the owners and the players appear far off from any type of negotiations that could lead to an agreement to extend labor peace beyond 2010. The owners think they gave up too much during the last round of negotiations. “They think [the current deal] is too rich for the players, and they want to take some back,” Upshaw said. Adds union attorney Jeffrey Kessler, “The problem is that the owners could not agree among themselves on how they would share their revenues. The high-revenue teams do not want to share money they earn in their markets, and the low-revenue teams are unhappy about everything. So they find a place to agree — they try to get it back from the players.” The 2011 season might feel like it’s a long way off, but the owners and the union should be addressing these issues now to avoid a labor stoppage. __________________ Brian K. Aspire to Inspire before you Expire
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Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4758454	That would be horrible for the nfl and its fans. What they need to do(Gene upshaw go away) is implement slotted rookie salaries, make them 3 year contracts, give the drafting team first right to negotiate, like RFA, and make the rooks EARN those huge paydays. It would be more money available for vets as well...so the NFLPA wins anyway.
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Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4758454	I just like it because 1. It gets rookies right into offseason training, mini camps and training camp...no more holding out until week 2. The vets always cry about unfair salaries and limits of caps...this makes the market for the 2nd and 3rd contract more lucritive because so much money isn't wasted on duds.
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