The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

http://io9.com/5589855/theres-still-...nus-and-hurley

And who, do we suppose, the **** are those guys?

[Buck]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I'd read also that those are some of the things being covered. I still haven't seen confirmation that those are the only things being covered. Have you?

No, I haven't, but I cant imagine how much they are going to try and squeeze into 12 minutes.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Buck

No, I haven't, but I cant imagine how much they are going to try and squeeze into 12 minutes.

Good call. Just depends on how the answers are presented and how complex they are. I'm also curious how much time this 12 minutes spans.

[Red Brooklyn]

Guess what JJ Abrams said about LOST at Comic Con...

"What Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse did was an amazing thing. When we first started and Damon and I wrote this bible of what it would be, we were optimistic. A lot of things ended up in the series but most of them did not. Carlton Cuse came onboard and they all started making it what it became. There were ideas we thought were cool but we knew we had to be flexible. You could not anticipate Michael Emerson coming on board, which was supposed to be for a couple of episodes. They had to be entirely flexible and listen to the show. I personally believe that Damon and Carlton kicked ass and wrote an amazingly emotional episode for the finale."

Neat, huh?

[Jamie]

It would be interesting to get to read that original show bible now.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Jamie

It would be interesting to get to read that original show bible now.

Yes, sir.

Hell, I'd settle for an interview with Damon and JJ where they sort of compare and contrast and talk about why each thing changed. I'd also be interested to hear from Carlton on what he liked/disliked about the original show bible.

[Reaper16]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrGRqDL43AU

It's the LOST epilogue! Quick, watch it before it gets taken down!

Spoiler!

The first part is super ****ing condescending. The show's writers have always been insulting in the show itself to people who dare ask questions about plot holes and unresolved plot points. This epilogue is no different, making the two bumbling Dharma warehouse workers surrogates for the question-asking audience. That scene explains a couple of minor tidbits and, unfortunately, retcons plenty of stuff to explain some bigger questions. If only this scene weren't dripping with condescension.

The second part of the epilogue is much cooler. I'd watch a Ben, Hurley & Walt on-the-island spinoff. That'd be fun, just like the scene between the three of them here is fun.

[Buck]

I saw it. It was okay. I liked the orientation video and the scene with Ben, Walt, and Hurley.

[007]

Missed it. Oh well

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Guru

Missed it. Oh well

You didn't miss anything.

Just more of the same. "The island is gone. The island moves. The Dharma Inititative hasn't existed in 20 years", basically stating that the the supplies went to the "Lost Souls" on the island.

The bit with Hurley was that Ben went to the same mental hospital where Hurley had been to meet with Walt. He told Walt is he was "special". Walt said he wasn't special and besides that, his father was dead.

Ben said "Just because he's dead doesn't mean you can't help him".

He then took Walt to a blue Dharma van where Hurley was waiting. Hurley said "It's time to go home, Dude!".

I just can't believe these dumb****s tried to hide the true nature nature of the island for more than six years, especially when everyone figured it out after episode one.

I think it would have been much cooler if they just would have said "Yeah, it's purgatory. You got us. But just watch because it's very interesting!".

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrGRqDL43AU

It's the LOST epilogue! Quick, watch it before it gets taken down!

Spoiler!

The first part is super ****ing condescending. The show's writers have always been insulting in the show itself to people who dare ask questions about plot holes and unresolved plot points. This epilogue is no different, making the two bumbling Dharma warehouse workers surrogates for the question-asking audience. That scene explains a couple of minor tidbits and, unfortunately, retcons plenty of stuff to explain some bigger questions. If only this scene weren't dripping with condescension.

The second part of the epilogue is much cooler. I'd watch a Ben, Hurley & Walt on-the-island spinoff. That'd be fun, just like the scene between the three of them here is fun.

As usual I disagree.

But, I didn't see any retcon... what are you refering to?

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

As usual I disagree.

But, I didn't see any retcon... what are you refering to?

You disagree with what?

I'd have to watch it again to see what I felt was being retconned. I seem to recall them explaining away the island's birth problem somehow.

[Red Brooklyn]

I didn't find it condescending or insulting in any way. I also, as stated, didn't notice any retconning.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I didn't find it condescending or insulting in any way. I also, as stated, didn't notice any retconning.

I don't see how you can even argue that it isn't condescending. All throughout the series a large contingent of LOST fans were speculating about all sorts of unexplained plot points and mysteries. They were asking a lot of questions. This epilogue was made in large part because this contingent of fans felt unsatisfied by the show's final season; they didn't think that enough of the island's mysteries were explained. So we're told there will be an epilogue on the boxed set that explains some things. This is ostensibly meant to appease this question-filled contingent of fans. So the question-filled fans all watch this epilogue and what do they get? Two clueless Dharma employees asking questions about island mysteries. These employees are surrogates for the question-filled fans. The implication is clear: these two dumbshits (they are portrayed as dumbshits) ask silly questions and so the question-filled fans are likewise just dumbshits that ask silly questions. Adding onto that massive amount of condescension that Damon and Carlton have for some of their show's fans is that Ben Linus becomes visibly annoyed at the questions. Linus takes the question answering segment like it is a banal chore. He's dialogue from this epilogue is a de facto rebuke from Damon and Carlton towards the fans that weren't on-board with how they ended the series. That first part of the epilogue takes special care to make fun of a large portion of the show's fanbase.

[Red Brooklyn]

Well, I didn't see it that way. I think Damon and Carlton have been very gracious in regards to their fans - often times giving them more than they need. Damon and Carton never owed the fanbase anything other than to finish their show. They did that.

And the epilogue was written and filmed during the final season. It wasn't just thrown together after the fact because some fans were pissy. Is it tongue in cheek? Yes. But I don't see it as insulting. It's meant to be fun. Another (thankless) gift.

I love how so much of the fanbase was so angry that characters in the series never just stopped and asked (point blank) the questions that were on all our minds. Now, TPTB have given fans just that - scene where, in fact, characters stop and ask point blank questions, and a character in the know provides a lot of answers. Damned if you do. Damnd if you don't, I suppose. I honestly think though that the polarizing affect S6 (and the epilogue) had on the fan community illustrates how special LOST was/is.