If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Peyton Manning has had a long illustrious career. In that career, he has been mediocre at best in games that matter most. I would rather take 3 to 4 championships with a few frustrating regular seasons over a 10 year career than a guy who consistently can't get the job finished over those 10 years.

Wanting Peyton over Big Ben or Eli is the Marty Schottenheimer Way where regular season accomplishments trump playoff achievements.

Wanting a QB who consistently made an otherwise terrible team a contender is the Schottenheimer way.

Did you miss the part where the Colts were 2-14 the year he was out?

[Messier]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

The team may have informed him of that. do teams always tell the truth?
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So, you're just gonna go with they lied to him? Well, it does help justify what you believe to think that. Its kind of convenient.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I understand the concept of a Hall of Fame guy versus the field and why I eventually ended with a Matt Hasselback reference.

I think A. Smith is of a MH level (a tad better IMO) and with the correct supporting cast, can actually be a title contender type of QB.

I think that we've become so over-the-top in terms of expecting the Chiefs to get that Hall of Fame QB that we're instantly denigrating the capabilities of a guy like A. Smith, especially in a Reid type offense (and especially one with aspects of a Childress/Ault union of the minds). Which is ironic in that this franchise has suffered through some of the worst QB situations over the past 40 years.

Many around here seem to be of the mindset of "Well, he ****ing sucks because some other team was willing to trade him so we should draft Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Troy Aikman/Joe Montana/Johnny Unitas/John Elway because, well, you know, a guy like that is always going to be sitting there for the Chiefs in every draft."

And that just ain't gonna happen.

So, what we have here is a guy who Andy Reid obviously feels quite strongly about in terms of running his system. A guy who was finally coming into his own after suffering through some of the worst head coaches and offensive coordinators of the past decade. A veritable carousel of crap every single year was the fate suffered by A. Smith during his time in San Francisco. And yet, despite this avalanche of horse shit piled upon him, he remained focused, determined and positive. When he finally got a decent HC, the guy started producing.

So, what do we have here in KC with Smith? Do we simply have a re-tread QB that won't distinguish himself beyond a middling level, or do we have a Steve Young, who was basically deemed a bust by the Buccaneers who drafted Testaverde and traded Young to the 49ers for an incredible haul of draft picks at the time of a 2nd and 4th rounder. Young, deemed a cast off bust, and the 49ers were routinely criticized by the fans and press as a waste of a trade and far too expensive because of the picks.

However, west coast system guru Bill Walsh liked the traits that Young brought to the table (athleticism, accuracy, smarts) and when a 30 year old Young got the chance to start for a decent head coach in a new situation, he went on to a Hall of Fame level career despite becoming the 49er's starting QB in his eighth career season.

...

I don't agree that Smith is better than Hasselbeck.

Hasselbeck is another who could take the top off a defense.

If I had to compare Smith to another QB, then it would be Chad Pennington.

Cerebral, tough QB that's extremely efficient in the short passing game.

But another whose physical limitations limit the team's success.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Messier

So, you're just gonna go with they lied to him? Well, it does help justify what you believe to think that. Its kind of convenient.

They couldn't even afford all of their draft picks you moron. He wasn't going to be on the 49ers this year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Wanting a QB who consistently made an otherwise terrible team a contender is the Schottenheimer way.

Did you miss the part where the Colts were 2-14 the year he was out?

Marty, Andy Reid, Tony Dungy... you pick your poison. You are basically saying you value regular season wins over playoff achievements. Just say it.

Your Colts example is a dumb one. First, I watched a rookie take that same team to 11 wins. The 2-win season was a product of shitty coaching and Curtis Painter more than anything. Secondly, I've already acknowledged that Peyton is a tremendous regular season QB.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by jd1020

They couldn't even afford all of their draft picks you moron. He wasn't going to be on the 49ers this year.

They sure could afford him. They were active in FA you idiot. So, they don't Sign Dorsey and NA. Just going by what people actually said and not my theory.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't agree that Smith is better than Hasselbeck.

Hasselbeck is another who could take the top off a defense.

If I had to compare Smith to another QB, then it would be Chad Pennington.

Cerebral, tough QB that's extremely efficient in the short passing game.

But another whose physical limitations limit the team's success.

That's a good comparison. Hasselbeck definitely wasn't a conservative QB. If anything he was a gunslinger and took too many risks. Hasselbeck is basically a lesser version of Brett Favre.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Messier

They sure could afford him. They were active in FA you idiot. So, they don't Sign Dorsey and NA. Just going by what people actually said and not my theory.

You're helpless.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Marty, Andy Reid, Tony Dungy... you pick your poison. You are basically saying you value regular season wins over playoff achievements. Just say it.

Your Colts example is a dumb one. First, I watched a rookie take that same team to 11 wins. The 2-win season was a product of shitty coaching and Curtis Painter more than anything. Secondly, I've already acknowledged that Peyton is a tremendous regular season QB.

Because their "rookie QB" just happens to be an average Joe...

[Hootie]

you guys are a bunch of whiny bitches

one poster nailed it

if Alex Smith works out and plays the QB position well for us, it was an ABSOLUTE steal of a trade. 2 2nds for a good QB? Yeah. Steal.

If he sucks...then he wasn't worth a single 2nd or 3rd or 4th day pick.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I understand the concept of a Hall of Fame guy versus the field and why I eventually ended with a Matt Hasselback reference.

I think A. Smith is of a MH level (a tad better IMO) and with the correct supporting cast, can actually be a title contender type of QB.

I think that we've become so over-the-top in terms of expecting the Chiefs to get that Hall of Fame QB that we're instantly denigrating the capabilities of a guy like A. Smith, especially in a Reid type offense (and especially one with aspects of a Childress/Ault union of the minds). Which is ironic in that this franchise has suffered through some of the worst QB situations over the past 40 years.

Many around here seem to be of the mindset of "Well, he ****ing sucks because some other team was willing to trade him so we should draft Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Troy Aikman/Joe Montana/Johnny Unitas/John Elway because, well, you know, a guy like that is always going to be sitting there for the Chiefs in every draft."

And that just ain't gonna happen.

So, what we have here is a guy who Andy Reid obviously feels quite strongly about in terms of running his system. A guy who was finally coming into his own after suffering through some of the worst head coaches and offensive coordinators of the past decade. A veritable carousel of crap every single year was the fate suffered by A. Smith during his time in San Francisco. And yet, despite this avalanche of horse shit piled upon him, he remained focused, determined and positive. When he finally got a decent HC, the guy started producing.

So, what do we have here in KC with Smith? Do we simply have a re-tread QB that won't distinguish himself beyond a middling level, or do we have a Steve Young, who was basically deemed a bust by the Buccaneers who drafted Testaverde and traded Young to the 49ers for an incredible haul of draft picks at the time of a 2nd and 4th rounder. Young, deemed a cast off bust, and the 49ers were routinely criticized by the fans and press as a waste of a trade and far too expensive because of the picks.

However, west coast system guru Bill Walsh liked the traits that Young brought to the table (athleticism, accuracy, smarts) and when a 30 year old Young got the chance to start for a decent head coach in a new situation, he went on to a Hall of Fame level career despite becoming the 49er's starting QB in his eighth career season.

...

At the risk of committing a repost faux pas, here's a trivia question:

Q: Who was the starting QB for the first team Andy Reid coached (as a graduate assistant)?

A:

Spoiler!

Steve Young

Reid also played one year with Young, but Young wasn't the starter and I don't know how much Reid actually played.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Messier

So, you're just gonna go with they lied to him? Well, it does help justify what you believe to think that. Its kind of convenient.

I'm saying that the team isn't going to tell the player the truth every time.

I don't know what they were going to do but they had to trade some draft picks for fear of not being able to afford them AFTER trading Smith...

they might have kept him, but not at 7.5 million IMO.
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[Messier]

Originally Posted by jd1020

You're helpless.

Back at ya.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Messier

They sure could afford him. They were active in FA you idiot. So, they don't Sign Dorsey and NA. Just going by what people actually said and not my theory.

What do Dorsey and na cost them this year?

People say things that don't happen all the time, especially in sports
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Because their "rookie QB" just happens to be an average Joe...

Andrew Luck is a very good QB. But he's a rookie. He is not yet Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Flacco, Peyton, or Rivers. So you bring up 2-14 but completely brush off that a not yet elite QB took that same team to 11-5. So what was your point, exactly?