The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[tymania]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

There are no concidences with #'s on this show.

right but the baseball thing has no meaning to the numbers at all... i bet the baseball doesnt come into play at all, we probably wont even see the baseball again now that Dogen is dead. If I am wrong feel free to stick it to me when the time comes

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by tymania

right but the baseball thing has no meaning to the numbers at all... i bet the baseball doesnt come into play at all, we probably wont even see the baseball again now that Dogen is dead. If I am wrong feel free to stick it to me when the time comes

The last scene will be Jack throwing the baseball at Locke, hitting him in the head killing him, leaving 108 stitch marks on his forehead.

[tymania]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

The last scene will be Jack throwing the baseball at Locke, hitting him in the head killing him, leaving 108 stitch marks on his forehead.

now that would be an EPIC ending

[Steron]

Interesting '108' references from the show. The baseball might not matter to the content of the show but it does tie into 108.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/108
Season 2


108



Log printout from episode "?" which increments by 108 units in base 60



Penny's Clock

• 108 stands out amongst the graffiti when Jack goes down the hatch the first time. ("Man of Science, Man of Faith")
• # that appears on the mural in the Swan. ("Adrift")
• # of minutes the clock in the Swan counts down before the Numbers must be entered into the computer. (Note: the alarm sounds at the four minute countdown mark, and the Numbers can be input any time after this). The clock resets itself to this number after the correct numbers have been input. If the counter reaches zero, a set of hieroglyphs appear in the counter instead. ("Adrift") ("Orientation")
• # that x 5 = 540. 540 is the number of days until "your replacement" will arrive at the Hatch, according to the orientation film. ("Orientation")
• # of answers to Locke's crossword puzzle. ("Collision")
• Part of the video reel #23108-42 that Kelvin shows to Sayid. ("One of Them")
• # on the log printout in the Pearl displays numbers that increment by 1:48 in base 60 (which we use for counting time). If we convert 1:48 from base 60 to decimal, we arrive at 108, which makes sense given that this is the frequency with which the code is entered. ("?")
• One half of # of hours between intervals when the vaccine kit injections must be done (9 days). ("Three Minutes")
• One loud jungle frog, the coqui, which was tormenting Sawyer, has been measured chirping at 108 decibels.
• The armory (where the guns are initially stored) span two lock combinations. When you add both of the lock combination numbers together, you get 108 (7 + 33 + 18, 18 + 1 + 31).
• The song "Make your own kind of music" that Desmond plays in the hatch is stopped by the explosion after 1:08. ("Man of Science, Man of Faith")

Season 3

• On the blast door map the Roman numerals CVIII are shown in a box, translated into modern Hindu-arbic numbers CVIII is 108
• # of beats per minute of Ben's heartbeat on the EEG for a moment. ("Not in Portland")
• The time that shows on the digital clock is 1:08. ("Flashes Before Your Eyes")
• The number of wine cases that the monastery imported . ("Catch-22")
• 108 times 3 equals 324 - the number of people on Flight 815.
• The spectral analysis of the sound made by the sonic barrier, one of the frequency bands corresponds to 972 Hz, which is the average resonant frequency of the human skull. 108 times 9 equals 972

Season 4

• It was 108 days between the crash and the Oceanic 6 being rescued on Sumba.

• Oceanic 815 crashed on Sept. 22, 2004. 108 days later is Jan. 8, 2005 (1-08).

Season 6

• The hourglass used by Dogen lasts 1:08.
• Dogen twirls and studies a baseball in the episode "What Kate Did"; a traditional baseball has 108 stitches. = needs reference =
• Jacob asked Hurley to set the lighthouse apparatus to 108 degrees. ("Lighthouse")
• The name Wallace was written (and crossed out) by number 108 on the the lighthouse wheel. ("Lighthouse")

In Find 815

• The newspaper in the Christiane I (in the Chapter 3 Clue Hunt) has its 108th issue

edit DHARMA and religious meanings

As it is now clear that the show has a recurring theme of religion, specifically Eastern religion (DHARMA, namaste), it is important to note that the number 108 has great significance attached in that realm. Note that the religious significance of 108 to many Eastern ideological beliefs also has great impact on their popular culture, as seen in the following "Occurrences outside the show" section.

• There are 108 beads on a mala, used by Buddhists and Hindus for chanting.
• There are "108 Defilements of Buddhism which can be connected to the symbols in the DHARMA logo(s)".
  • More specifically, one of the Buddhist readings of the number 108 is as the quantity of Klesas (mental defilements) according to the Tientai version of the Abhidharma (one of the main Buddhist doctrinary texts) [1].
• A typical Japanese interpretation for the meaning of the number 108, used by both Nichiren and Pure Land schools, is given under "Shoshu Buddhist" (Shoshu is a controversial Nichiren school of Buddhist origins) in [2]:
  • Followers use 108 beads in their malas. They implement the following formula:
  • 6 x 3 x 2 x 3 = 108
  • 6 senses [sight, sound, smell, taste, touch, thought]
  • 3 aspects of time [past, present, future]
  • 2 condition of heart [pure or impure]
  • 3 possibilities of sentiment [like, dislike, indifference]
• 6^2 + 6^2 + 6^2 = 108. In common Christian Eschatology, 666 is the Number of the Beast. (This is currently being disputed)[3]

edit Outside the show and real life occurrences

• In the J.J. Abrams-produced television show Fringe, character Morgan Steig was passenger #108 on Flight 627.
• The highest broadcast band of FM radio is 108.0.
• On New Years in Japan the church ring a bell 108 times to rid the 108 evils in the body.
• 108 minutes is the time it took Juri Alexejewitsch Gagarin to circle around the earth on his first spaceflight.
• In Fyodor Dostoevsky's short story "Notes From the Underground" the narrator muses that science will one day teach man that he possesses neither will nor uncontrollable urges and is nothing more than a piano key or organ stop operating by laws of nature, and that if discovered, these laws could be used to compute human actions mathematically like tables of logarithms up to 108 - 000.
• In Homer's "The Odyssey," Odysseus is forced to fight off 108 suitors when he returns to his wife Penelope.
• It took 108 years to end the Spanish-American War tax. In 2006, the Treasury Dept. ended a 1898 tax to fund the war.
• 108 = 0108 Hebrew Strong's number = mist, vapor of the ground whence clouds are formed, so called from surrounding and covering the earth like a veil. This derivation is confirmed by the Arabic root 'med', which is whatever guards and strengthens anything, defense. Also means atmosphere.
• 1-0-8 is the emergency telephone number in India (such as 9-1-1 is in the USA). A common saying in India is "Dial 108 and save a life".
• The Chinese classic Shui Hu Zhuan there are 108 Stars of Destiny, heroes who band together for the cause of justice.
• In the martial art Wing Chun, each of the 3 forms, and the wooden dummy training traditionally consist of 108 movements.
• There are 108 stitches on a regulation baseball, such as the ones used by the Boston Red Sox.
• On the Lost original television soundtrack the track "Me and my big mouth" is exactly one minute and eight seconds (1:08) long
• The wave swimming pool at the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas cycles 1 wave every 108 seconds.[4]
• To help in preparing the instrumentation for the Trinity atomic bomb test the "100 Ton Test" was fired on 7 May 1945. This test detonated 108 tons of TNT stacked on a wooden platform 800 yards from Trinity ground zero.
• 108 is the ten code for officer down or officer in danger.
• "National Geographic Magazine (March 2008) cites a repetitive Buddhist ritual in Bhutan involving 108 kernels of corn: "Each time the gray haired woman named Tum Tum prostrates herself [before a sacred pillar of stone], she slides one of the 108 kernels (a sacred number) across the floor. In three months she as moved the kernels 95,000 times - 1000 prostrations a day - and will continue until she reaches 100,000."
• There are 108 cards in an Uno deck.
• The spherical angle between Los Angeles and Sydney is 108 degrees plus some decimal run over. [5]
• The exterior angles between the points of a pentagram, and the interior angles of a pentagon are 108 degrees.
• Misty May and Kerry Walsh, the 2008 Olympic Gold medalists in women's beach volleyball have a streak of 108 wins.
• The New York Mets won 108 games during their 1986 season when they won the World Series.
• Stonehenge is 108 feet in diameter.
• In Mac OSX 10.6 (Snow Leopard)'s "Wake on Demand" feature, roughly every 108 minutes or so, it's normal behavior for the computer in sleep mode to awaken briefly for maintenance, just enough to repair and resolve its current network state, and then to immediately return to sleep.
• Episode 5 of Season 6, "Lighthouse," was the 108th episode of the series.

[AustinChief]

so... is the vaccine from earlier related to the "sickness" that Claire and Sayid have? It seems likely YET it also appears that you have to "die" to get sick... so who knows.

[007]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

One other question, why was MIB allowed to cross the ash and enter the temple only when Dogen was dead?

Why did Sayid have to stab Flocke before he spoke to destroy him?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Guru

Why did Sayid have to stab Flocke before he spoke to destroy him?

Dogen wanted Sayid to go up to Smokey and immediately do something to provoke Smokey to kill him. Didn't want Smokey to get a chance to talk sense into Sayid. Dogen knew there was no way Sayid's 'mission' would succeed.

[Frazod]

Great episode. Kind of sad to see Sayid go over to the bad guys, but he has the potential to be a Kurgan-level villain if he lets all his inner demons out to play.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by frazod

Great episode. Kind of sad to see Sayid go over to the bad guys, but he has the potential to be a Kurgan-level villain if he lets all his inner demons out to play.

The "bad" guys aren't any worse than the "good" guys. Both MIB and Jacob manipulate people. Jacob seems worse because he brings people to the island. MIB only messes with them once on the island.

[tymania]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The "bad" guys aren't any worse than the "good" guys. Both MIB and Jacob manipulate people. Jacob seems worse because he brings people to the island. MIB only messes with them once on the island.

good point.. everyone is a manipulator on this show.. the island is not one for the weak.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by frazod

Great episode. Kind of sad to see Sayid go over to the bad guys, but he has the potential to be a Kurgan-level villain if he lets all his inner demons out to play.

It's also funny to see Ben go from the biggest position of power to seeing him in the pool room after Sayid off's the Japanese guy.

"Oh ****....p0wn3d...I'm out..."

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Yeah, its looking more and more like Jacob could be the bad guy in all this, or at least its not so clear but whos the good guy and whos the bad guy. He has manipluated a lot of lives.

I don't remember seeing Jacob kill anyone though...

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I don't remember seeing Jacob kill anyone though...

Yeah, but the people who worked for him never had a problem with it.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I don't remember seeing Jacob kill anyone though...

Not directly. He's like Charles Manson where he sends out Dogen/Ben to manipulate others to do their dirty work.

I wouldn't be surprised if at the end the surviving lostees tell both MIB and Jacob to screw off and/or eliminate both of them.

[Mr. Plow]

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