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Old 03-28-2019, 10:16 AM   #1
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If you have DSL or cable, you have to have a modem, or a router with a modem. A modem is a modulator/demodulator. It decodes and encodes the signal for use in the backhaul network. No consumer router (save for the ones with built in modems) can do that.

If a DSL or cable provider is handing you off an ethernet cable, there is a modem in there somewhere, you just don't know it's there. The signal HAS to be converted at some point.

And the first time you have problems and can't get reasonable support because you own your own modem, you'll see why it's not such a bad idea to rent. I've worked in the ISP space for 30 years. I've seen it happen dozens of times. If you can afford downtime, by all means, buy your own stuff. Just be prepared when it takes you 30 hours longer to get restored than your neighbor, who is renting his modem.
I never said there wasn't a modem, I said you could do without their "modem". That is why it is in quotes in my edit. If the feed you have in your house is an ethernet cable they still try to tell you that you need their "modem" and it isn't a modem at all. You can configure your router to handle the shit their "modem" is. I have this setup at my house. I have zero "modems" in my house. They have fiber running to their converter outside my house. They feed an ethernet cable from there.

Don't rent a modem, ever. Support is never an issue.

Hell, I bought a used modem for my mom who got great support from her carrier all the time. And she didn't know jack or shit about anything.
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:22 AM   #2
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I never said there wasn't a modem, I said you could do without their "modem". That is why it is in quotes in my edit. If the feed you have in your house is an ethernet cable they still try to tell you that you need their "modem" and it isn't a modem at all. You can configure your router to handle the shit their "modem" is. I have this setup at my house. I have zero "modems" in my house. They have fiber running to their converter outside my house. They feed an ethernet cable from there.

Don't rent a modem, ever. Support is never an issue.

Hell, I bought a used modem for my mom who got great support from her carrier all the time. And she didn't know jack or shit about anything.
If you have fiber, you don't have a modem. You (or your ISP) is conflating terms. A modem is not a router and a router is not a modem.

Furthermore, it's great that your personal experience with buying modems has been good. Some people won't be as lucky as you have been.
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:24 AM   #3
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If you have fiber, you don't have a modem. You (or your ISP) is conflating terms. A modem is not a router and a router is not a modem.

Furthermore, it's great that your personal experience with buying modems has been good. Some people won't be as lucky as you have been.
You understand what putting something in quotes means right? ****, I even say specifically it isn't a modem.

I said they run their fiber into their converter outside the house and then run an ethernet cable directly into my router. No need for anything else.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:10 AM   #4
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I recently switched to a Google WiFi router and could not be more pleased. Greatly increased my WiFi speed and you can add multiple to extend your range if needed. It really isn't very expensive either at $100.
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:56 PM   #5
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I recently switched to a Google WiFi router and could not be more pleased. Greatly increased my WiFi speed and you can add multiple to extend your range if needed. It really isn't very expensive either at $100.
I also have 3 google wifi routers running a mesh system. My existing router had dead spots in my new house (quite a bit bigger than my old house). It was by far the easiest router I've ever set up and the App to manage it is really simple. It won't have some of the advanced features of other routers but if you are looking for something that just works, that would be my vote.
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:37 PM   #6
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I also have 3 google wifi routers running a mesh system. My existing router had dead spots in my new house (quite a bit bigger than my old house). It was by far the easiest router I've ever set up and the App to manage it is really simple. It won't have some of the advanced features of other routers but if you are looking for something that just works, that would be my vote.
I switched to google WiFi around when they were first released and understand there are quicker systems now. Basically as no effort as it gets if you just want to plug it in and things work. Had a pretty solid Archer router before that and the extra mesh points gave me full blast 5 ghz throughout my house and back to my detached garage.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:23 PM   #8
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I couldn't imagine putting Google network probes in my house.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:28 PM   #9
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I couldn't imagine putting Google network probes in my house.
Yeah a fair point. While they are just an innocent mesh router I’m sure Google has done something with them to collect even more data from me.
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Old 03-29-2019, 09:25 AM   #10
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Yeah a fair point. While they are just an innocent mesh router I’m sure Google has done something with them to collect even more data from me.
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Old 03-29-2019, 10:20 AM   #11
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So there are alot of factors to consider. Do you live in a high density area? What is the speed you are getting from ISP?

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Bumping this to get some fresh takes on mesh wifi. I've got a couple dead spots and want to move to a mesh solution. Anyone have a favorite?
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Bumping this to get some fresh takes on mesh wifi. I've got a couple dead spots and want to move to a mesh solution. Anyone have a favorite?
I have the google wifi, I think rebranded nest. Doesn't offer the advanced features of some but does a good job.
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