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Billy Kidman d. Hulk Hogan

[Mecca]

I just think it's funny to see people defend Trips the guy is our generations Hogan as far as his actions he's just never been close to the draw...

In his mind he wants to be Flair, so then he acts like Hogan to keep his spot while all the while he's Kevin Nash.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Mecca

In his mind he wants to be Flair, so then he acts like Hogan to keep his spot while all the while he's Kevin Nash.

Holy shit.

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think its phrased that way to avoid this line...he lost to Jeff Hardy you know not factoring in that, that win was made to look like a total fluke and treated as such.

lol, I didnt even remember that one.

Originally Posted by Mecca

I just think its funny to see people defend Trips the guy is our generations Hogan as far as his actions hes just never been close to the draw...

No offense to anyone here personally, but as much as you found the funny quotes after Mania from HHH fans and all, its also funny seeing angry HHH haters dredging up the same old stuff time and again. Its like someone going around posting endlessly about what a lousy draft pick Ryan Sims was. We know, but come on already.

I was reading back to old posts about this, and someone said it really well about how its like some people are endlessly trying to prove a point about HHH that doesnt need to be proved to anyone. And when they do it, they usually rely on the same he hasnt been *pinned* with a *finisher* type stuff to boost their case, when the case doesnt need boosting.

Its like the LAPD planting evidence on OJ when he did it anyway. The overall case is right, but the questionable method its presented in just makes it easier for people to dismiss it. People still raging against HHH after all this time are just turning people off to it.

[Boris The Great]

Also, if you want to talk about draws, you have to give HHH his due. He is one of the top in WWE history. He certainly hasnt been a draw in recent years to any noticable degree, but the peak financial years in WWE (2000-2001) came with HHH as the top heel.

People say, well business was hot because of Austin, but he was out that whole time with neck surgery. Then people say well it was Rock, and thats no doubt true to an extent, but it was when HHH and Stephanie took over as the evil couple that business really started to grow beyond the 98-99 Austin level. There was a period of 2-3 months after Austin left to have his surgery where there was concern about business cooling off. Then the McMahon-Helmsley got hot and business actually ended up improving from where it had been. So he definitely deserves his share of the credit.

No doubt his longevity helps his overall standing in a historical context, but I think Dave Meltzer has said that if HHH had retired in 2003 he would probably still be among the top 10 biggest draws WWE has had. So the idea that he hasnt been a draw is pretty untrue, at least in the big picture.

I like talking about the money stuff, someone set me up with another. I have lots of old Observer figures and stuff saved if anyone wants.

[Mecca]

Why is it that there will always be someone there to defend him then?

You can go onto wrestling forums and atleast half of the forum will defend him and go "you're just an H hater" etc.

And he should be raged against right now, he just beat the companies hottest young heel at the biggest show of the year when he didn't need to do that. Not to mention he has now killed 2 Mania crowds in mainevent matches...if he was anyone else he'd never get another one.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

Also, if you want to talk about draws, you have to give HHH his due. He is one of the top in WWE history. He certainly hasnt been a draw in recent years to any noticable degree, but the peak financial years in WWE (2000-2001) came with HHH as the top heel.

People say, well business was hot because of Austin, but he was out that whole time with neck surgery. Then people say well it was Rock, and thats no doubt true to an extent, but it was when HHH and Stephanie took over as the evil couple that business really started to grow beyond the 98-99 Austin level. There was a period of 2-3 months after Austin left to have his surgery where there was concern about business cooling off. Then the McMahon-Helmsley got hot and business actually ended up improving from where it had been. So he definitely deserves his share of the credit.

No doubt his longevity helps his overall standing in a historical context, but I think Dave Meltzer has said that if HHH had retired in 2003 he would probably still be among the top 10 biggest draws WWE has had. So the idea that he hasnt been a draw is pretty untrue, at least in the big picture.

I like talking about the money stuff, someone set me up with another. I have lots of old Observer figures and stuff saved if anyone wants.

Can that really be argued anymore? As soon as Austin and Rock were done the company went in the shitter, H was always the 3rd man riding their coat tails.

Lets not mention that when he was first put into the mainevent scene with his first title win the crowd shit on it and him basically saying "we don't want this guy". The WWE's reaction was to ram him down everyones throat and give him everything possible till people just accepted it.

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Why is it that there will always be someone there to defend him then?

I think its a combo of 3 things.

One, he has fans, and fans will always defend someone.

Two, like I said, the people still raging on and on about it turn people off.

And then three, a lot of the times people stretch the truth and halfass their arguments, when you could make plenty of valid cases about HHH without having to embellish it. And some people argue those points, like I did with that bit about how he hasnt been pinned. Its not true and I said so. That doesnt mean HHH is my favorite wrestler, but there is no sense arguing mistruths.

Originally Posted by Mecca

Not to mention he has now killed 2 Mania crowds in mainevent matches...if he was anyone else hed never get another one.

Did he kill the crowd, or was the crowd already spent? Its the chicken or the egg, and people who hate him will see it one way, and people who dont will see it another.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

I think its a combo of 3 things.

One, he has fans, and fans will always defend someone.

Two, like I said, the people still raging on and on about it turn people off.

And then three, a lot of the times people stretch the truth and halfass their arguments, when you could make plenty of valid cases about HHH without having to embellish it. And some people argue those points, like I did with that bit about how he hasnt been pinned. Its not true and I said so. That doesnt mean HHH is my favorite wrestler, but there is no sense arguing mistruths.



Did he kill the crowd, or was the crowd already spent? Its the chicken or the egg, and people who hate him will see it one way, and people who dont will see it another.

The one match show killed the crowd I guess....that whole Taker/Shawn burnt out the crowd card is being overplayed seeing as there was a match between them...and that guy Austin didn't seem to have a problem getting a reaction after it.

[Ultra Peanut]

Did he kill the crowd, or was the crowd already spent?

The crowd wasn't spent for Austin, five minutes earlier.

What killed the crowd was a shitty match that offered nothing in the way of twists or turns other than a bland ref bump that meant nothing.

[Mecca]

The thing that really pisses me off about that is, Taker who I don't really personally like is 45 ****ing years old and he can bring himself to put on a top match every single year at mania he can drag it out of himself on the biggest stage to perform.

Triple H can't even bring his broke dick ass up to have a good match when he's maineventing the biggest show of the year.

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Can that really be argued anymore? As soon as Austin and Rock were done the company went in the shitter, H was always the 3rd man riding their coat tails.

Its not an argument, these are business facts. WWE business was doing well from the Austin era, but began an upswing in early 2000 when the HHH-Stephanie marriage angle got hot. Austin was gone and Rock was already hot all through 1999, its not like something happened to make him even bigger.

Obviously HHH isnt in the league of Austin or Rock as a star, but to say he was never a draw just isnt true. And the real declining started when the WCW invasion failed, thats when business trends started to noticeably go south. Then the brand split weakened things because shows were only featuring half the talent. Rock and Austin were still regulars at that point, but obviously when they left it didnt help.

Originally Posted by Mecca

Lets not mention that when he was first put into the mainevent scene with his first title win the crowd shit on it and him basically saying we dont want this guy.

Yeah, and they kept at it and he ended up becoming a big star. The same thing happened to Rock when they first pushed him. Everyone hated him. Then they stuck him in the Nation and pushed him into a feud with Austin that nobody thought he deserved at the time. But by the next year, he was the future of the company.

A lot of guys have that story.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I just think it's funny to see people defend Trips the guy is our generations Hogan as far as his actions he's just never been close to the draw...

In his mind he wants to be Flair, so then he acts like Hogan to keep his spot while all the while he's Kevin Nash.

Saying he's like Hogan in keeping his spot is an insult to Hogan.

Hogan made all of his opponents look strong. Whether it was Bundy crushing his ribs, Savage whipping his ass in the "medical room" at SNME, or Orndorff, Andre, or Slaughter, every Hogan opponent was made out to be ridiculously strong up until Hogan got the blowfish cheeks going.

Who looks strong against Triple H? Jeff Hardy when he pins him with a rollup that Triple H then laughs about? Randy Orton, whose faction can barely take him 3-1 and then gets punted, sledged, and pedigreed? Edge?

Yeah, he put Dave Batista over big in 2005, therefore he's like Rock, he makes everyone look good.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Saying he's like Hogan in keeping his spot is an insult to Hogan.

Hogan made all of his opponents look strong. Whether it was Bundy crushing his ribs, Savage whipping his ass in the "medical room" at SNME, or Orndorff, Andre, or Slaughter, every Hogan opponent was made out to be ridiculously strong up until Hogan got the blowfish cheeks going.

Who looks strong against Triple H? Jeff Hardy when he pins him with a rollup that Triple H then laughs about? Randy Orton, whose faction can barely take him 3-1 and then gets punted, sledged, and pedigreed? Edge?

Yeah, he put Dave Batista over big in 2005, therefore he's like Rock, he makes everyone look good.

Triple H is also the only heel who wasn't booked like a total pussy, the guy never "shows ass" so to speak.

[Mecca]

Also why every year at the HOF does one of the old guys have to suck off Triple H like he's the greatest thing ever?