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Old 04-18-2008, 06:19 PM  
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So, since this place is at DefCon 4 with the news of an impending Jared Allen trade, I ask the fine frazzled folks of ChiefsPlanet a simple question.

Using the same circumstances, his on the field talent, his off the field troubles and his contract demands.....

If Jared Allen played for another team, say the Seahawks.

Would you be advocating that the Chiefs trade a 1st/3rd draft picks and spend $100M to get him? Assume we're picking 15-20 like Minnesota.
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Old 04-18-2008, 07:20 PM   #31
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You can't be basing that on sacks alone. Jared is the complete package at defensive end.
Why not?

That's what everyone else is basing it on?

Had he had another ho-hum 8-9 sack season, no one would be advocating giving him anywhere NEAR Freeney money.

Bottom line is that he's produced at a Freeney-type level for ONE year.

I don't think the Chiefs are in the wrong here. They put the tag on him knowing that if he ****ed up again, they'd be covered. It also gave Allen another year to prove to the team that he's clean.

But then Jared went running his mouth about not signing a long term deal if he played under the tag.

Someone who actually wanted to be here would have taken his $9M, put his head down, realized he was getting a 4th chance, stayed clean, and gotten that huge contract. Instead, he basically gives the team an ultimatum.
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Old 04-18-2008, 07:22 PM   #32
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It doesn't help that Allen is a bunch player, even if you love him you can't deny this.

He will get 3 or 4 sacks in 1 game then completely disappear for others.
Or completely disappear in the 2nd half, when the defense needs him most.
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Old 04-18-2008, 07:27 PM   #33
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So do we have all but 1 piece or do we have our record from last year?
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Old 04-18-2008, 07:30 PM   #34
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Old 04-18-2008, 07:30 PM   #35
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IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SACKS! He plays the run constantly, bats down passes, casues fumbles, chases down backs, whatever you need.

Do you think his overall skillset is greater than Freeney's, and if not, why?
Freeney caused 10 more forced fumbles and 8 more sacks than Allen did his first 4 years.

I'll give you the passes batted down, Allen holds a huge edge in that 25-11. Though he should, considering he's a half a foot taller than Freeney.

Bottom line?

Freeney has been consistent. His LOWEST sack total in his first 4 years was 11.

The same 11 that is the second highest season total for Allen, who's had 2 years below 10 - one of them being well below 10, two years ago.
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Old 04-18-2008, 07:39 PM   #36
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I voted no but I do not see him getting a $100 million either from anybody.
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Old 04-18-2008, 07:39 PM   #37
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Well get more.

My guess:

1/3rd this year.

Conditional 1-3 pick next year? something like that
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Old 04-18-2008, 07:59 PM   #38
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Freeney caused 10 more forced fumbles and 8 more sacks than Allen did his first 4 years.

I'll give you the passes batted down, Allen holds a huge edge in that 25-11. Though he should, considering he's a half a foot taller than Freeney.

Bottom line?

Freeney has been consistent. His LOWEST sack total in his first 4 years was 11.

The same 11 that is the second highest season total for Allen, who's had 2 years below 10 - one of them being well below 10, two years ago.
Well, Allen has been consistent as well, with kicking it up to the next level this past year. It's not out of the realm of possibility to think that he is reaching a level that he will maintain for the next few years.

You make good points about him, but we'll just agree to disagree what his worth is (and can be). Just to be official, I understand the risks he brings with him, and understand why the Chiefs would try to trade him now, in his prime (even if I do think it sucks to give away an impact player on a team that needs every impact player it can get his hands on).
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Old 04-18-2008, 08:01 PM   #39
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Well, Allen has been consistent as well, with kicking it up to the next level this past year. It's not out of the realm of possibility to think that he is reaching a level that he will maintain for the next few years.

You make good points about him, but we'll just agree to disagree what his worth is (and can be). Just to be official, I understand the risks he brings with him, and understand why the Chiefs would try to trade him now, in his prime (even if I do think it sucks to give away an impact player on a team that needs every impact player it can get his hands on).
Fair enough, really the only place we're not in agreement is over his consistency.

A guy who wants to be paid like an elite DE who's a year removed from a pedestrian 7.5 sacks doesn't scream consistency to me.

Like you said, agree to disagree.
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So, Allen is asking for 100 million guaranteed? The lengths some people go to support their position. Why not ask a poll - would you rather keep Jared Allen or get a 1st and 3rd and take Ben Moffit with the 1st and a kicker with the 3rd.
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Interesting poll results.
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