Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SNR

He absolutely was. He was a solid reach.

http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/...e-right-about/


Both Mel Kiper Jr. and Mike Mayock were high on Flacco, believing he was the second best quarterback in the class behind Matt Ryan and a first-round pick. Kiper told Bill Ordine of the Baltimore Sun Flacco went from “intriguing” to the “real deal” during his senior season. [Baltimore Sun, Apr. 17, 2008]. He wrote for ESPN that he thought the Falcons might trade back to get him later in the first round (Ravens ended up doing that).

Joe Flacco has been hovering around my Top 25 Big Board all season, and this week he cracked the board. Flacco’s size and arm strength are the best in this year’s quarterback class, and he really impressed teams during his individual workouts. Although he’s not tremendously mobile, Flacco moves well enough in the pocket. He also appears to be extremely coachable and a quick study.
Similar to what Cleveland did last year with Brady Quinn, don’t be surprised if the Atlanta Falcons try and trade back into the latter stages of the first round to draft Flacco.

Mayock was quite impressed with what Flacco brought to the table physically. On the Apr. 27, 2008 edition of NFL Networks’ Total Access, he said that Brady Quinn was unfit to carry Flacco’s jock.

“I had some people make comments to me last night, ‘Why did they go back to [the] 18[th-overall pick]? Did they really need to get [Flacco] like that? Come on, how good a football player is this guy?’
Let me put it in perspective: Brady Quinn — everybody thought was a top-10 pick last year — Brady Quinn, as far as physical skill set, can’t carry his jock.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus the True

http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/...e-right-about/


Both Mel Kiper Jr. and Mike Mayock were high on Flacco, believing he was the second best quarterback in the class behind Matt Ryan and a first-round pick. Kiper told Bill Ordine of the Baltimore Sun Flacco went from “intriguing” to the “real deal” during his senior season. [Baltimore Sun, Apr. 17, 2008]. He wrote for ESPN that he thought the Falcons might trade back to get him later in the first round (Ravens ended up doing that).

Joe Flacco has been hovering around my Top 25 Big Board all season, and this week he cracked the board. Flacco’s size and arm strength are the best in this year’s quarterback class, and he really impressed teams during his individual workouts. Although he’s not tremendously mobile, Flacco moves well enough in the pocket. He also appears to be extremely coachable and a quick study.
Similar to what Cleveland did last year with Brady Quinn, don’t be surprised if the Atlanta Falcons try and trade back into the latter stages of the first round to draft Flacco.

Mayock was quite impressed with what Flacco brought to the table physically. On the Apr. 27, 2008 edition of NFL Networks’ Total Access, he said that Brady Quinn was unfit to carry Flacco’s jock.

“I had some people make comments to me last night, ‘Why did they go back to [the] 18[th-overall pick]? Did they really need to get [Flacco] like that? Come on, how good a football player is this guy?’
Let me put it in perspective: Brady Quinn — everybody thought was a top-10 pick last year — Brady Quinn, as far as physical skill set, can’t carry his jock.”

From the same article


Flacco was viewed as a product of draft hype. He was not a prized recruit out of high school, originally enrolling at Pittsburgh. He played for an FCS school, Delaware. Sports Illustrated termed his Senior Bowl performance “disastrous.” Many were skeptical. Some felt he was a product of playing against inferior competition. Some were willing to grant him the benefit of the doubt on that, but were concerned about his experience being primarily out of the shotgun (which feels sooo 2008). Roch Kubatko wrote the following: [Baltimore Sun Apr. 29, 2008]

If there’s a greater concern about Flacco, it’s how he took his snaps primarily out of the shotgun. Because the Ravens aren’t likely to move him away from center most of the time, he’ll be the one making the adjustment. Dropping back can’t be followed by falling down, or that’ll become an issue real fast. But it’s not like he’s never done it.

Some viewed Flacco as a project, unable to help the Ravens immediately. Toni Grossi wrote the following in his immediate assessment of the Ravens’ 2008 Draft. [Cleveland Plain Dealer, Apr. 29, 2008]

By the time Flacco is ready to win – not just play – Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and other Ravens star defensive players may be sitting in the NFL Network studio chairs.

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel felt Flacco could not be a success because he was tall, taller than almost any other “above average” quarterback. Here’s your gem quote from that article. [Milwaukee Journal Sentinal, Apr. 19, 2008]

“I’ve got a problem with Flacco,” a personnel director for an AFC team said. “You know why? He’s 6-6. I don’t know why it is but history tells you they’re not going to be any good.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

From the same article


Flacco was viewed as a product of draft hype. He was not a prized recruit out of high school, originally enrolling at Pittsburgh. He played for an FCS school, Delaware. Sports Illustrated termed his Senior Bowl performance “disastrous.” Many were skeptical. Some felt he was a product of playing against inferior competition. Some were willing to grant him the benefit of the doubt on that, but were concerned about his experience being primarily out of the shotgun (which feels sooo 2008). Roch Kubatko wrote the following: [Baltimore Sun Apr. 29, 2008]

If there’s a greater concern about Flacco, it’s how he took his snaps primarily out of the shotgun. Because the Ravens aren’t likely to move him away from center most of the time, he’ll be the one making the adjustment. Dropping back can’t be followed by falling down, or that’ll become an issue real fast. But it’s not like he’s never done it.

Some viewed Flacco as a project, unable to help the Ravens immediately. Toni Grossi wrote the following in his immediate assessment of the Ravens’ 2008 Draft. [Cleveland Plain Dealer, Apr. 29, 2008]

By the time Flacco is ready to win – not just play – Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and other Ravens star defensive players may be sitting in the NFL Network studio chairs.

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel felt Flacco could not be a success because he was tall, taller than almost any other “above average” quarterback. Here’s your gem quote from that article. [Milwaukee Journal Sentinal, Apr. 19, 2008]

“I’ve got a problem with Flacco,” a personnel director for an AFC team said. “You know why? He’s 6-6. I don’t know why it is but history tells you they’re not going to be any good.”

I was expecting this and figured people like you would read just the beginning and then take off with it before getting to the point of the article. Its no suprise you would think what you posted was the point of it.



From the same article -

While the amateurs had doubts, the “professional” draft analysts were dead on with Flacco. The Scouts Inc analysis pegged him. “Big-time arm”that was “a notch below…JaMarcus Russell.” “Trusts his arm too much at times, which leads to critical errors throwing the ball into traffic.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus the True

I was expecting this and figured people like you would read just the beginning and then take off with it before getting to the point of the article. Its no suprise you would think what you posted was the point of it.



From the same article -

While the amateurs had doubts, the “professional” draft analysts were dead on with Flacco. The Scouts Inc analysis pegged him. “Big-time arm”that was “a notch below…JaMarcus Russell.” “Trusts his arm too much at times, which leads to critical errors throwing the ball into traffic.”

A notch below Jamarcus. Nice going fellas!

His arm was never the question. It was playing against shit opponents and playing out of the gun, oh and getting beat out by Tyler Palko didn't help either.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by doomy3

I realize that this is difficult for someone of your intelligence level to understand.

I wanted us to draft Geno. That was an opinion. I thought that he offered the best upside for our franchise of any player in the draft. I had an avatar of him throughout this entire ordeal. However, we didn't draft him. Neither did 31 other teams who had a chance to do so, with many of those teams having more than one chance to do so.

I'm not stubborn enough to just brush that off and think that there's some kind of conspiracy against the kid or that I know something from watching him throw the football on the TV a few times that these guys who have broken down every singe snap of his, held him for private workouts, interviewed him and those close to him, and done exhaustive research don't know.

That would be dumb. You're being dumb, which should come as no surprise to anyone who has ever read any of your posts, under any of your ridiculous monikers.

Also, I will not be cheering for him, even though I wanted to draft him. He plays for another team. I have no allegiance to the Jets, and don't care to root for their QB. I hope he fails miserably, just as I hope that 31 other QBs in the NFL fail miserably.

And his pouting certainly falls right in line with why many were questioning his leadership and if he should be a first round QB. I thought it wasn't important. I was pretty turned off by his pouting during the draft coverage and then his finger pointing immediately after. Those are things that we fans don't generally get to see as many of those things happen behind closed doors, which is probably why many GMs weren't interested in drafting him.

Excellent post. It's too bad BigCatDaddy is too ****ing stupid to understand it.

Originally Posted by doomy3

And by the way, I probably will go back to my "hidey-hole." As I've told several posters who have PMd me asking why I don't get involved in the football discussions much anymore, it's because of idiots like you who post the same drivel in every thread. This place is infested with idiots, and those idiots, like yourself, lack basic common sense and intelligence. It is impossible to read through the same idiotic posts in every single thread. And it certainly isn't worth trying to post a sensible thought in that thread.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

You'll be greatly missed. Bye now.
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Doomy3 should stay. The chocolate penii ball washers should go. They are now making total jackasses out of themselves.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Excellent post. It's too bad BigCatDaddy is too ****ing stupid to understand it.





Doomy3 should stay. The chocolate penii ball washers should go. They are now making total jackasses out of themselves.

Hey you little bitch. When Geno is passing for more 300 yard games in his rookie season than Alex has in his 80 game career you can lick my taint. It's going to be so awesome watching Alex Smiff fall flat on his sorry ass.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's going to be so awesome watching Alex Smiff fall flat on his sorry ass.

Why?