****OFFICIAL 2013 NBA PLAYOFFS THREAD****

[-King-]

2012-2013 NBA Champions:

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Of course not.

So we're just going to disregard facts then. Makes sense.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

So we're just going to disregard facts then. Makes sense.

It's not disregarding facts. It's understanding that calls don't form a 1:1 ratio with incidents.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by -King-

Watching the NBA.

So essentially, you're basing your statements on nothing in particular and are just trolling for no reason. Good to know.

I mean, there's a reason Charles Barkley called LeBron and Wade out for the "whining and bitching" they do.

Charles is one to talk considering all the talking he did during his career.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by -King-

Watching the NBA.

I mean, there's a reason Charles Barkley called LeBron and Wade out for the "whining and bitching" they do.

Considering how much they are coddled by the officials, it's amazing that those two have the balls to complain. Stern's 'modern' NBA has created a cadre of whiny bitches at the top of the talent pyramid.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It's not disregarding facts. It's understanding that calls don't form a 1:1 ratio with incidents.

So do you have a record of these incidents so we can put a number to them? If not, the technicals are the best we've got in the way of factual evidence. Why disregard them?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

So do you have a record of these incidents so we can put a number to them? If not, the technicals are the best we've got in the way of factual evidence. Why disregard them?

You know full well that technicals aren't called every time a player complains, that calls vary depending upon the official, the player, the time of the game and a host of other variables, so you know that your attempted correlation is meaningless. Why double down on that?

Lebron is a crying bitch. You know that too.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You know full well that technicals aren't called every time a player complains, that calls vary depending upon the official, the player, the time of the game and a host of other variables, so you know that your attempted correlation is meaningless. Why double down on that?

You didn't answer the question. Where is your statistical evidence that LeBron complains any more than Kobe or Durant? What do you have to refute the major differential in technicals?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Considering how much they are coddled by the officials, it's amazing that those two have the balls to complain. Stern's 'modern' NBA has created a cadre of whiny bitches at the top of the talent pyramid.

Amazing the narratives some come up with due to nostalgia about the past. Now players didn't even complain 20 years ago?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You didn't answer the question. Where is your statistical evidence that LeBron complains any more than Kobe or Durant? What do you have to refute the major differential in technicals?

I didn't claim that Lebron complained more, or less, than Kobe or Durant. I just said that the argument you were using to claim otherwise doesn't hold water. The league has evolved so that most of the top players are a bunch of entitled, whiny bitches who cry about getting a fingernail scrape while they're getting away with forcibly raping their opponents, and who flop more than soccer players.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I didn't claim that Lebron complained more, or less, than Kobe or Durant. I just said that the argument you were using to claim otherwise doesn't hold water.

It certainly holds more water in this kind of ridiculous discussion than anything else being brought up here. In any case, the technical differential suggests that Kobe and Durant are pissing off more refs than LeBron does.

The league has evolved so that most of the top players are a bunch of entitled, whiny bitches who cry about getting a fingernail scrape while they're getting away with forcibly raping their opponents, and who flop more than soccer players.

The league has always rewarded those who are able to exaggerate fouls after contact. It was the same in MJ's day and it's the same now. It's even a big part of some of the best players' games (Harden, Parker, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, Wade, etc.).

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Amazing the narratives some come up with due to nostalgia about the past. Now players didn't even complain 20 years ago?

The game's changed, and only an idiot would pretend otherwise. In the 1980's, Kurt Rambis got crushed by McHale, with McHale getting nothing more than a regular foul called. Today, McHale would be suspended for God only knows how long.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It certainly holds more water in this kind of ridiculous discussion than anything else being brought up here.

No, it doesn't. It's a really lousy argument, akin to claiming that people with speeding tickets are the only people that speed.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

In any case, the technical differential suggests that Kobe and Durant are pissing off more refs than LeBron does.

No, it doesn't. All it shows is that the league's most pampered player has fewer techicals than other pampered players. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The league has always rewarded those who are able to exaggerate fouls after contact. It was the same in MJ's day and it's the same now. It's even a big part of some of the best players' games (Harden, Parker, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, Wade, etc.).

If you're trying to claim that the league rewarded that crap the same in the 60's-80's as it does today, I'll just say that you're completely full of shit and leave it at that.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The game's changed, and only an idiot would pretend otherwise. In the 1980's, Kurt Rambis got crushed by McHale, with McHale getting nothing more than a regular foul called. Today, McHale would be suspended for God only knows how long.

The game may have changed. Players complaining about officiating during games? No...that's a bit of a constant.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

No, it doesn't. It's a really lousy argument, akin to claiming that people with speeding tickets are the only people that speed.

Only if the people getting the tickets routinely find themselves at the top of the list year after year.

No, it doesn't.

It does. If LeBron pissed off refs at the same level and to the same extent as Kobe and Durant, why wouldn't he have the same number of technicals? Why would his technicals be so low every year compared to them?

If you're trying to claim that the league rewarded that crap the same in the 60's-80's as it does today, I'll just say that you're completely full of shit and leave it at that.

The athletes good enough to take advantage in MJ's day did, same as they did now. There are just way more of them now and they play at a much higher level, creating more such occurences and opportunities for it to occur.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The game may have changed. Players complaining about officiating during games? No...that's a bit of a constant.

The complaining is radically different, and far more pervasive, today in comparison to days past.