Raiders Trade for Carson Palmer

[doomy3]

Per Rotoworld, the Raiders are close to acquiring Carson Palmer.

On my phone, so no link, but what the hell do the Raiders have left to trade?

Originally Posted by doomy3

Schefter reporting that trade is completed. 2012 first and 2013 conditional first.

Amazing.

[chiefscafan]

I'll admit I"m frustrated pioli isn't doing anything then again maybe they are waiting see how this team responds after the bye.

[R8RFAN]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

I'll admit I"m frustrated pioli isn't doing anything then again maybe they are waiting see how this team responds after the bye.

Well it's too late for trades

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

I'll admit I"m frustrated pioli isn't doing anything then again maybe they are waiting see how this team responds after the bye.

To do what?

[chiefscafan]

well lets say the chiefs have figured it out this bye week and last two games weren't flukes. baldwin plays and is great the D plays better who knows


it might bea dream but ya never know

[IPwnFools]

The Raiders are go getters. They do whatever it takes to win. I love that.

Need a QB? Go get him.

Want to trade up in the draft? Go get him.

Trade? Go get him.


Meanwhile The Chiefs are sideline watchers. They never make any bold moves. They never sign free agents. They prefer to save their money. They are never in the headlines.

[Sofa King]

No one expected the Bengals to trade quarterback Carson Palmer. Even Bengals owner Mike Brown didn't anticipate a move five days ago.

But as the saying goes, the Raiders made the Bengals a deal that they couldn't refuse. Actually, it was a deal no owner or general manager could refuse.

Cincinnati gets a first-round draft pick in 2012 and a conditional first-rounder in 2013 for a quarterback who was never going to play for the team again. The Bengals got two high draft picks when they already have Palmer's replacement in Andy Dalton.

The High Price for QBs
A look at non-rookie quarterbacks traded for first-round picks since 1995:

Year Quarterback
1995 Craig Erickson
1997 Rick Mirer
1998 Rob Johnson
1999 Brad Johnson
2001 Trent Green
2002 Drew Bledsoe
2009 Jay Cutler
2011 Carson Palmer
This is a steal for the Bengals. This is highway larceny. Whatever exaggeratory cliché you have, it fits the situation.

Say what you want about how Brown has run the team over the years, but his hard-line stance with Palmer paid off. Big time. Brown couldn't get a better deal in his fantasy football league.

This would have been a steal for the Bengals if they were able to get just the 2012 first-round pick from Oakland. The conditional first-rounder in 2013 is just icing on the Bengals' celebration cake.

Remember, this is a deal for a 31-year-old Carson Palmer, not Andrew Luck.

Maybe you could rationalize the draft picks if the Raiders were getting the Palmer from 2005, the one who threw for 3,836 yards and 32 touchdowns. But Oakland is getting the 2011 Palmer, one who has gone through knee and elbow injuries.

From 2008 to 2010, Palmer's QBR was 50, which ranked 26th in the NFL (according to ESPN Stats & Information). He threw 50 touchdowns and 37 interceptions during that time.

In 2010, Palmer tied a career high with 20 interceptions. His 23 turnovers that season were fourth most in the NFL. According to ESPN Stats & Information, Palmer hasn't been among the NFL's statistically elite quarterbacks since 2007, the season before he missed 12 games with a serious elbow injury.



Throw out the cost of what it took to get Palmer and the Raiders are winners in their own way, too. Palmer is an upgrade over backup Kyle Boller and even Jason Campbell (who injured his collarbone this past Sunday) when healthy. Palmer is probably a better quarterback as of today than Dalton because of his arm strength and experience.

But Palmer was never going to put on a Bengals jersey again. Even if he did, no one in the locker room would welcome him back after he chose to have an extended vacation instead of playing for Cincinnati. After the disastrous four-win season from a year ago, it was time for a fresh start and that meant no Chad Ochocinco and no Palmer.

Brown was probably resigned to trading Palmer next offseason. The Bengals probably would've been ecstatic for a third-round pick for Palmer. A second-round pick? The Who Dey Nation would've called that a pipe dream.

In the NFL, teams are willing to give up second-round picks for emerging 20-something quarterbacks like Matt Cassel in 2009 or Kevin Kolb in 2011. They'll even trade a couple of first-rounders for a 26-year-old quarterback coming off a 4,000-yard Pro Bowl season (Jay Cutler).

Teams just don't give up that much for over-30 passers. In fact, before the Cutler deal, you have to go back to 2002 to find another non-rookie quarterback traded for a first-round pick, and that was Drew Bledsoe.

This just doesn't happen. And this type of good fortune rarely happens for the Bengals, who've had two winning seasons in the past 20 years.

The only way this deal comes back to haunt the Bengals is if Palmer leads the Raiders to the postseason and bumps Cincinnati out of a playoff spot in the process. That would be an embarrassing turn of events.

But the Bengals can't think of such scenarios when a deal like this sits in front of them. It would've sent the wrong message to an already-skeptical fan base if Brown traded Palmer to the Raiders for a 2013 third-round pick. That would just be cutting your losses and helping a potential playoff competitor in the process.

The Bengals head into their bye week with a 4-2 record, a highly ranked defense, an exciting rookie wide receiver and a developing young quarterback. There's a newness and excitement with this team again.

The trading of Palmer Tuesday marks a welcomed surprise in an already-surprising season.


http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...al-for-bengals








Not all of your beloved ESPN loves the move..

[R8RFAN]

The Chiefs main concern is selling tickets and making money first... When the stands were empty in Oakland, they were still spending money trying at least to get better.

Chiefs lose star players and they just get tits sewed on their backs and roll over and take it hard in the ass, then make suck for luck threads all over the forum and actually want to lose in order to get a good draft pick.... screw that shit, I am glad I am a Raider fan...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

Here's my bandaid: Those will be low 1st round picks & Oakland has whiffed on some recent high ones (Jalardass, etc.). Lotta young talent on this team that should mature in a coupla years. Still a few compensatory picks coming (Zach Miller busted in Seattle, but OAK will get something for Awesome-wa & Gallery). Seymour & Palmer represent 3 1st-round picks. Just might live up to it.... obviously Hue Jackson is aiming to win now. We'll see....

You have become KnowMo

[CoMoChief]

LOL Carson Palmer looks like he just got out of chemo

[IPwnFools]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

LOL Carson Palmer looks like he just got out of chemo

He looks like a future superbowl winning QB.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I see Chimpionship is back.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by IPwnFools

He looks like a future superbowl winning QB.

Now I know you are mult-trolling

the jig is up

[Ugly Duck]

Originally Posted by PGM

You have become KnowMo

Pete Prisco of CBS Sportsline has also become KnowMo: Palmer trade makes Raiders a playoff team

The Carson Palmer trade to the Oakland Raiders does two things: It makes the Raiders a true playoff contender and it shows that Bengals owner Mike Brown isn't as stubborn -- or as foolish -- as some might think.

When Jason Campbell went down, it made sense for the Raiders to make a move for a player like Palmer. They have so much speed, so much young talent, that just getting through the season with the Kyle Bollers of the world made no sense. Palmer is legitimate. Some will say he's never won a playoff game. Some will say his arm isn't the same as before he hurt his elbow. I don't buy it. I've always been in Palmer's corner as a player. I didn't like his move to sit out -- but I guess it worked.

Palmer will join a team loaded with speed at the receiver position. Darrius Heyward-Bey is starting to live up this his billing. Jacoby Ford can fly. Rookie Denarius Moore is a player. Oh, and they have Darren McFadden. Hue Jackson, an underrated offensive coach, will make this team explosive with Palmer.

The trade is a win-win all the way around.

[SnakeXJones]

Originally Posted by IPwnFools

He looks like a future superbowl winning QB.

Dear Lord...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Prisco is a moron. You aren't getting pre-injury Palmer, you are getting the less than Cassel version.