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Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap (cont) http://tl.gd/gbhvr8

Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap first rounders this yr w Rams also getting 2 future #1s and additional picks. Story coming on fox sports dot com

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Washington Redskins traded three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick to St. Louis for second overall pick … http://say.ly/frx1yvb

CoMoChief · 03-10-2012, 02:50 AM

Snyder is a moron.

This is worse than the NO trading away an entire draft for Ricky Williams.

At least in NO, this only effected one year's worth of draft picks.

A lot of players if not most players that are drafted in the 2nd day don't ever see the field, and don't play a significant amount of snaps. They may be camp fodder, projects, or practice squad guys. 1st days picks are usually the players that make up your starting core of your football team, the players that see most of the playing time. Obviously the team is highly invested in these players as they were chosen high in the draft.

Not having first rd picks for the following 2 seasons is ultimately going to cripple that franchise. The talent they have on that offense as it is, is sub par at best. As much of a talent RG3 is, he's not going to be able to do it by himself in his rookie season. Look at Cam Newton. Great talent, but the team as a whole was garbage. How are they going to build around RG3 if they're not going to get him weapons in the 1st rd of the draft???

Stan Kronke, Fisher and Co. just put clown shoes on Shanahan and Daniel Snyder. LOL Meanwhile, STL is now in a great position to build around Bradford. 5 first rd picks within the next 3 years (counting this year). They can surely do a LOT of damage in the draft with that kinda ammo. They need it too...

03-10-2012, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by R8ers

iT'S NOT FAKE SYMPATHY, I never said I wanted you guys to build a dynasty, just give you someone behind center you can be proud to have.

We want that for the raiders too. Wait... no we don't.

**Dylan** · 03-10-2012, 02:55 AM

Excerpts: Washington Post

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The deal shifts the Redskins up four places from sixth in the April draft, leapfrogging any other team that would have an interest in the Heisman Trophy winner from Baylor. The Indianapolis Colts are expected to take Andrew Luck with the No. 1 pick.

The bold move demonstrates how badly the Redskins are in need of a franchise quarterback after two decades of struggles. Coach Mike Shanahan has already whiffed on three in his two seasons in Washington, with Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman and John Beck combining to produce an 11-21 record.

I have to admit with the huge amount Washington gave up to move up three spots - Would it have made sense the team shows up unprepared and loses three more games, it's on the coach.

If the Rams are good at drafting, they're going to have a bright future.

Deberg_1990 · 03-10-2012, 03:06 AM

Im not sure its possible to overpay or give up too much for a potential franchise QB. Especially for a hopeless franchise like the Redskins who have struggled for two decades. Good move by Snyder for once.

Excellent for a rebuilding team like the Rams too.

CoMoChief · 03-10-2012, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Im not sure its possible to overpay or give up too much for a potential franchise QB. Especially for a hopeless franchise like the Redskins who have struggled for two decades. Good move by Snyder for once.

Excellent for a rebuilding team like the Rams too.

It depends on where you are as a franchise.

If you're like the Chiefs, where all you need is a QB to be legit SB contenders, then you go all-in for that prize franchise QB.

That's not the case in WAS, they have problems everywhere, and who are going to be RG3's weapons??? Santana Moss? Roy Helu??? LOL c'mon. They're not going to have any 1st rd draft picks to surround him w/ talent in the recent future. RG3 is going to be expected to virtually do this all by himself and that's usually a path to incompetence from the FO and failure, and leads eventually to coaches being fired.

This move is going to cripple that franchise.

NJChiefsFan · 03-10-2012, 03:54 AM

I kinda feel like you should get the QB first, not last. You can win with a QB and a decent roster. You can't win with a really good roster and no QB.

CoMoChief · 03-10-2012, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I kinda feel like you should get the QB first, not last. You can win with a QB and a decent roster. You can't win with a really good roster and no QB.

Well that's exactly the situation we have here in KC. Like it or not. That's why we need to throw all of our cards on the table and get Peyton Manning. This team is ready to win NOW. At least getting Manning won't cause us to give up draft compensation.

It depends on the state of the franchise like I said before.

You need 1 of 2 things in order for a young rookie QB to be successful in the NFL. 1 - You either get him some weapons around him to take the load off, or 2 - You have a stud defense that holds teams to under 14 ppg, and you run the football and ask the young QB to just manage the game. WAS has neither.

I'm not necessarily saying that you don't go all in to go up and get your franchise QB, but I also think you have to be smart about it. Hell I'd rather pull a Ditka and sacrafice the entire 2012 draft and make due with some FA signings (you know Snyder wouldn't have a problem w/ that) and then still have a first rd pick for the next couple years after that. I mean the odds anyways that the players drafted this year (which is a thin draft btw) from rounds 4-7 aren't going to amount to much, if anything at all. Stats would show that they're probably not going to be with that same franchise a few seasons from now, and may not even be playing in the NFL at all. I guess it all depends on how you draft.

Don't get me wrong I think RG3 is going to be good, I just think they gave up too much....WAAAAY too much, and now they're not going to have any 1st rd draft picks in the recent future to surround RG3 with the talent he needs to be successful in this league (they don't have anyone on their team currently that they can trade to get a 1st rd in return either).

Just stuipid stupid typical Snyder. They better hit home runs on some late rd diamond in the rough draft picks or it's going to cripple them. They're already terrible as it is.......guess we'll see the outcome of this all.

NJChiefsFan · 03-10-2012, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Well that's exactly the situation we have here in KC. Like it or not. That's why we need to throw all of our cards and get Peyton Manning. At least getting Manning won't cause us to give up draft compensation.

You don't have to sell me man.

**the Talking Can** · 03-10-2012, 04:44 AM

i'd do that deal in a heartbeat

amazing to me that after decades of winning jack shit, chiefs fans still care more about draft picks than QBs....unbelievable...

Scott Pioli wins the Draft Championship while trotting out Cassel for 4 years...

but ohnoes! it risky! to trade for a QB...let's draft DeCastro

**bevischief** · 03-10-2012, 06:58 AM

three first-round draft picks. They are special.

keg in kc · 03-10-2012, 07:02 AM

Yeah, this is exactly why I was thinking we had no chance. Three #1s, all likely to be high picks? And that deal, big as it was, wouldn't have been enough to get us there. We'd have had to do even more. Possibly a lot more. They gave up that much to move four spots.

This is really a make-or-break move for the Redskins. If it pays off it pays off huge. But, damn, the cost. The team it really works for is the Rams. This may be their Herschel Walker trade.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-10-2012, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i'd do that deal in a heartbeat

amazing to me that after decades of winning jack shit, chiefs fans still care more about draft picks than QBs....unbelievable...

Scott Pioli wins the Draft Championship while trotting out Cassel for 4 years...

but ohnoes! it risky! to trade for a QB...let's draft DeCastro

Again with this nonsense.

When did we start rallying around this theme that a franchise qb is so important that it means the draft means absolutely nothing?

You have to BOTH draft well and have a franchise qb. You can't do one of those things and forget the other.

scho63 · 03-10-2012, 07:11 AM

Number 1 pick in 2012, 2013, 2014, and #2 in 2012. That's a lot of high picks to give up.

Great move by Rams to move back 4 spots

**the Talking Can** · 03-10-2012, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Again with this nonsense.

When did we start rallying around this theme that a franchise qb is so important that it means the draft means absolutely nothing?

You have to BOTH draft well and have a franchise qb. You can't do one of those things and forget the other.

we've done one without the other for 30 years...

can you guess which? you ****ing genious...

but keep telling yourself that boring story....we have no QB, but we've got draft picks...you must be thrilled

TheGuardian · 03-10-2012, 07:18 AM

The Saints

Steelers

Patriots

All got their franchise QB's without giving up a super bounty of picks.

More times than not, these super trades back fire in the face of the people who give up everything.

Do that deal in a heartbeat?

jesus ****ing christ........

03-09-2012, 09:25 PM
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	Snyder is a moron. This is worse than the NO trading away an entire draft for Ricky Williams. At least in NO, this only effected one year's worth of draft picks. A lot of players if not most players that are drafted in the 2nd day don't ever see the field, and don't play a significant amount of snaps. They may be camp fodder, projects, or practice squad guys. 1st days picks are usually the players that make up your starting core of your football team, the players that see most of the playing time. Obviously the team is highly invested in these players as they were chosen high in the draft. Not having first rd picks for the following 2 seasons is ultimately going to cripple that franchise. The talent they have on that offense as it is, is sub par at best. As much of a talent RG3 is, he's not going to be able to do it by himself in his rookie season. Look at Cam Newton. Great talent, but the team as a whole was garbage. How are they going to build around RG3 if they're not going to get him weapons in the 1st rd of the draft??? Stan Kronke, Fisher and Co. just put clown shoes on Shanahan and Daniel Snyder. LOL Meanwhile, STL is now in a great position to build around Bradford. 5 first rd picks within the next 3 years (counting this year). They can surely do a LOT of damage in the draft with that kinda ammo. They need it too... __________________
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Im not sure its possible to overpay or give up too much for a potential franchise QB. Especially for a hopeless franchise like the Redskins who have struggled for two decades. Good move by Snyder for once. Excellent for a rebuilding team like the Rams too. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $5760423	I kinda feel like you should get the QB first, not last. You can win with a QB and a decent roster. You can't win with a really good roster and no QB.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Yeah, this is exactly why I was thinking we had no chance. Three #1s, all likely to be high picks? And that deal, big as it was, wouldn't have been enough to get us there. We'd have had to do even more. Possibly a lot more. They gave up that much to move four spots. This is really a make-or-break move for the Redskins. If it pays off it pays off huge. But, damn, the cost. The team it really works for is the Rams. This may be their Herschel Walker trade.
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TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $8265299	The Saints Steelers Patriots All got their franchise QB's without giving up a super bounty of picks. More times than not, these super trades back fire in the face of the people who give up everything. Do that deal in a heartbeat? jesus ****ing christ........
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