Decent Backup QB Might Be Availabe

milkman · 08-24-2000, 05:42 PM

Shane Matthews, apparent odd-man-out in the Bears QB shuffle, might become availabe for the right price. According to stories in the press up here, Matthews will get good playing time in the upcoming Bears/Titans game in an attempt to showcase his talents for prospective takers. The Bears haven't decided whether or not to dump him, but it is a likely possibility.

Matthews certainly ain't no Joe Montana, but is a decent QB and VASTLY SUPERIOR to any of our backups (hell, he might even give Elvis a run for his money). I posted his '99 stats below (remember, he shared starting time with McNown and Miller).

Were I Carl, I'd give this guy some serious consideration. Currently we're screwed if anything happens to Elvis.

SHANE MATTHEWS PASSING STATS

Att 275
Comp 167
Yds 1645
Comp % 60.7
Yds/Att 6.0
TD 10
TD % 3.6
INT 6
INT % 2.2
Long 56
Sack/Lost 13/79
Rating 80.6

redbrian · 08-24-2000, 06:12 PM

Not bad, considering the Bears basically used QBbC.

milkman · 08-24-2000, 06:22 PM

Yeah, I never thought about it that way. The Bears' QBBC worked out about as well as our RBBC. I always felt that Matthews got the shaft in Chicago. He needs a fresh start, preferably in RED.

08-24-2000, 06:51 PM

I can honestly say I have never been at all impressed with either Collins or White. I have seen Mathews play, and he seems compatent enough. And considering the style of offense in Chicago he may as yet have alot of talent. and If Moon does go, we need another QB with experiance.

scooter · 08-25-2000, 09:50 AM

Paul Justin might be another candidate. I was always impressed with his play here in Indy.

Any thoughts on Steve Stenstrom? He might keep the seat warm until we can draft/find a better 3rd string prospect.

08-25-2000, 09:52 AM

Didn't we draft that guy?!

Steve Strenstrom is another guy we drafted who Chicago picked up.

scooter · 08-25-2000, 09:56 AM

Stenstrom went from Chicago to S.F. I'm not sure who he's with now, but I did hear his name in a pre-season game. He might be a stop gap at 3rd string.

Another possibility is whoever loses out in the S.F. derby. They drafted Carmazzi and Rattay. I'm not thrilled with either but I can't see them keeping both. Eiher might make for a good QB project behind Moon.

08-25-2000, 10:00 AM

Exactly HC!! We already drafted and dumped [b]BOTH[/b] of these guys!

Do you [b]really[/b] think CP will accept a mistake at this level, and give them another shot?

[b]NO CHANCE MY FRIENDS!!![/b]

fyi, steve young is available. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

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08-25-2000, 10:27 AM

IN - If Rattay is released, we had [i][b]better[/i][/b] sign him up!! (Or I'll blow a gasket & chuck rotten eggs & shad-sides into CP's vehicle)

Time Rattay is going to be a good QB some day -- I just know it.

**alanm** · 08-25-2000, 10:42 AM

IMO, we do not need another backup QB. We already have [2] of them. Actually, I think we have [3] of them, counting Grbac.

We need a QBOTF.

I don’t think Grbac is our QBOTF. He will do until we grow one, but he is not the franchise QB we need. Moon obviously isn’t it. Collins is not an improvement over Grbac. White had an opportunity, but he failed.

It’s time to accept that and start the hunt over again. Pick up a diamond in the rough QB and give him a shot to hold the clipboard.

xoxo~
gaz
now accepting applicants for the QBOTF position.<BR>

scooter · 08-25-2000, 10:54 AM

And therein lies our difference Gaz. I hold to the idea that EG can be an Aikman type QB (one notch below the Marinos and Montannas of the world).

Assuming last year is the rule and not the exception I see no problem with our starting QB. However backups are another matter. Moon will be gone next year, White failed miserably and Collins seems to have lost whatever he had.

With Moon departing next year I see a large need for a capable arm behind EG. Now for this year if we want to keep Collins seat warm while we find a prospect then go for Justin/Mathews/etc. If we want Moon's successor now then go for a Rattay/Carmazzi.

**Dartgod** · 08-25-2000, 10:57 AM

Gaz,
You hit the nail on the hammer.

Keep thinkin!

redbrian · 08-25-2000, 12:14 PM

IMO, there are 3 ways to acquire a great QB:

1. Draft one - This usually involves a top 10 draft pick, unless you win the "draft lottery" like Denver did with TD.

2. Sign a free agent/trade - almost impossible, since no team is going to let their star QB go for any sort of trade. There are exceptions to the rule, like Favre and Steve Young (guys who exploded AFTER being traded), but you'd have a better chance of picking up the next TD in round 6, IMO.

3. Develop a raw talent into an elite QB - This might be the most improbable of all. IMO the great QBs are great from the moment they enter the NFL...they've either got it or they don't, save a few exceptions (Favre and Young again).

IMO #1 is the only real option, since #2 and #3 are based on almost pure luck. If KC is ever going to get an "elite" QB, Carl will either have to make a colossal trade to move up in the draft, or go through a 2 or 3 win season in the right year.

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DoktorSmith · 08-25-2000, 12:24 PM

The Chiefs have never been very good at drafting or "growing" QBs...why?...I don't have the answer...but part of the problem is the restrictions our offense places on the passing game...be it because we are afraid of our QBs or because we are a smashmouth team...I don't know...but I'd like to see them just let EG go crazy...then we will know once and for all wether he is our QB or not..

I can't imagine any starting QB becoming available after this week's cut down...maybe a better backup then we have...so it looks like our only hope lies in Grbac, trade, FA, draft....

Please Elvis, play smart....

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Raiderhater · 08-25-2000, 12:27 PM

I agree with Clint about how to acquire a Franchise QB...

Other lottery winners include, SF--getting Joe Montana in 3rd round. St. Louis--getting Kurt Warner, UDFA. Miami--getting Marino w/27th Pick in 1983.

There have been others via Trade, but it is rare. The only trades I can think of is Brett Farve and Mark Brunell.

08-24-2000, 06:51 PM	#4
Guest Casino cash: $	I can honestly say I have never been at all impressed with either Collins or White. I have seen Mathews play, and he seems compatent enough. And considering the style of offense in Chicago he may as yet have alot of talent. and If Moon does go, we need another QB with experiance.
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08-25-2000, 09:50 AM	#5
scooter Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $9994900	Paul Justin might be another candidate. I was always impressed with his play here in Indy. Any thoughts on Steve Stenstrom? He might keep the seat warm until we can draft/find a better 3rd string prospect.
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08-25-2000, 09:52 AM	#6
Fat Homer Guest Casino cash: $	Didn't we draft that guy?! Steve Strenstrom is another guy we drafted who Chicago picked up.
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08-25-2000, 09:56 AM	#7
scooter Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $9994900	Stenstrom went from Chicago to S.F. I'm not sure who he's with now, but I did hear his name in a pre-season game. He might be a stop gap at 3rd string. Another possibility is whoever loses out in the S.F. derby. They drafted Carmazzi and Rattay. I'm not thrilled with either but I can't see them keeping both. Eiher might make for a good QB project behind Moon.
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08-25-2000, 10:00 AM	#8
Coogs Guest Casino cash: $	Exactly HC!! We already drafted and dumped [b]BOTH[/b] of these guys! Do you [b]really[/b] think CP will accept a mistake at this level, and give them another shot? [b]NO CHANCE MY FRIENDS!!![/b] fyi, steve young is available. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img] ------------------ [b]ct[/b] the [i]freedom[/i] of choice is [b]truth[/b] the [i]fear[/i] to choose is [b]hypocricy</B>
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08-24-2000, 05:42 PM
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Shane Matthews, apparent odd-man-out in the Bears QB shuffle, might become availabe for the right price. According to stories in the press up here, Matthews will get good playing time in the upcoming Bears/Titans game in an attempt to showcase his talents for prospective takers. The Bears haven't decided whether or not to dump him, but it is a likely possibility. Matthews certainly ain't no Joe Montana, but is a decent QB and VASTLY SUPERIOR to any of our backups (hell, he might even give Elvis a run for his money). I posted his '99 stats below (remember, he shared starting time with McNown and Miller). Were I Carl, I'd give this guy some serious consideration. Currently we're screwed if anything happens to Elvis. SHANE MATTHEWS PASSING STATS Att 275 Comp 167 Yds 1645 Comp % 60.7 Yds/Att 6.0 TD 10 TD % 3.6 INT 6 INT % 2.2 Long 56 Sack/Lost 13/79 Rating 80.6
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08-24-2000, 06:12 PM	#2
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	Not bad, considering the Bears basically used QBbC.
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08-24-2000, 06:22 PM	#3
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Yeah, I never thought about it that way. The Bears' QBBC worked out about as well as our RBBC. I always felt that Matthews got the shaft in Chicago. He needs a fresh start, preferably in RED.
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08-25-2000, 10:27 AM	#9
Fat Homer Guest Casino cash: $	IN - If Rattay is released, we had [i][b]better[/i][/b] sign him up!! (Or I'll blow a gasket & chuck rotten eggs & shad-sides into CP's vehicle) Time Rattay is going to be a good QB some day -- I just know it.
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08-25-2000, 10:42 AM	#10
alanm Feeling Victorian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Nebraska/Wyoming/Colorado Casino cash: $1836436	IMO, we do not need another backup QB. We already have [2] of them. Actually, I think we have [3] of them, counting Grbac. We need a QBOTF. I don’t think Grbac is our QBOTF. He will do until we grow one, but he is not the franchise QB we need. Moon obviously isn’t it. Collins is not an improvement over Grbac. White had an opportunity, but he failed. It’s time to accept that and start the hunt over again. Pick up a diamond in the rough QB and give him a shot to hold the clipboard. xoxo~ gaz now accepting applicants for the QBOTF position.<BR>
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08-25-2000, 10:54 AM	#11
scooter Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $9994900	And therein lies our difference Gaz. I hold to the idea that EG can be an Aikman type QB (one notch below the Marinos and Montannas of the world). Assuming last year is the rule and not the exception I see no problem with our starting QB. However backups are another matter. Moon will be gone next year, White failed miserably and Collins seems to have lost whatever he had. With Moon departing next year I see a large need for a capable arm behind EG. Now for this year if we want to keep Collins seat warm while we find a prospect then go for Justin/Mathews/etc. If we want Moon's successor now then go for a Rattay/Carmazzi.
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08-25-2000, 10:57 AM	#12
Dartgod Wasted away again... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: in Margaritaville Casino cash: $7400000	Gaz, You hit the nail on the hammer. Keep thinkin!
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08-25-2000, 12:14 PM	#13
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	IMO, there are 3 ways to acquire a great QB: 1. Draft one - This usually involves a top 10 draft pick, unless you win the "draft lottery" like Denver did with TD. 2. Sign a free agent/trade - almost impossible, since no team is going to let their star QB go for any sort of trade. There are exceptions to the rule, like Favre and Steve Young (guys who exploded AFTER being traded), but you'd have a better chance of picking up the next TD in round 6, IMO. 3. Develop a raw talent into an elite QB - This might be the most improbable of all. IMO the great QBs are great from the moment they enter the NFL...they've either got it or they don't, save a few exceptions (Favre and Young again). IMO #1 is the only real option, since #2 and #3 are based on almost pure luck. If KC is ever going to get an "elite" QB, Carl will either have to make a colossal trade to move up in the draft, or go through a 2 or 3 win season in the right year. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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08-25-2000, 12:24 PM	#14
DoktorSmith Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10004900	The Chiefs have never been very good at drafting or "growing" QBs...why?...I don't have the answer...but part of the problem is the restrictions our offense places on the passing game...be it because we are afraid of our QBs or because we are a smashmouth team...I don't know...but I'd like to see them just let EG go crazy...then we will know once and for all wether he is our QB or not.. I can't imagine any starting QB becoming available after this week's cut down...maybe a better backup then we have...so it looks like our only hope lies in Grbac, trade, FA, draft.... Please Elvis, play smart.... ------------------ joe "I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather...Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car." (j. handy)
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08-25-2000, 12:27 PM	#15
Raiderhater **** the Raiders Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: A Webb of chaos Casino cash: $2162021	I agree with Clint about how to acquire a Franchise QB... Other lottery winners include, SF--getting Joe Montana in 3rd round. St. Louis--getting Kurt Warner, UDFA. Miami--getting Marino w/27th Pick in 1983. There have been others via Trade, but it is rare. The only trades I can think of is Brett Farve and Mark Brunell.
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