Silly argument about paintings

[AustinChief]

Just to be absolutely clear on this... You can make a DRAWING with oil paints and a PAINTING with colored pencils. Yes, MOST of the time a "dry" medium is used for drawing and a "wet" one for painting... but that doesn't DEFINE the terms. Hell, can you draw and paint on a computer? YES. Please inform me what the difference in medium is there?

[SilentHell]

I am using the guy at works arguments. I work with that guy as well as Icarus. He is trying to be specific and it is failing. Its not hard to stand up for something you know is right or wrong, but this clown can not admit he is wrong. Luckily for me, I have a job interview tomorrow at 3. So I will be the hell out of there probably and won't have to deal with the clown, my d-bag brother, or my "loser family".

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by SilentHell

I am using the guy at works arguments. I work with that guy as well as Icarus. He is trying to be specific and it is failing. Its not hard to stand up for something you know is right or wrong, but this clown can not admit he is wrong. Luckily for me, I have a job interview tomorrow at 3. So I will be the hell out of there probably and won't have to deal with the clown, my d-bag brother, or my "loser family".

Good luck on the interview!

[SilentHell]

Thanks. I don't need luck. I have had like 6 call backs on my resume, but I have a degree and almost finished with my Bachelors in game design. I wish Icarus would get off his ass and start submitting his god d@ng resume to places instead of complaining about work or arguing about what classifies as a painting. Who cares who is right or wrong? I got an idea, get a new job and get the hell out of there and you dont have to deal with the clown. In my opinion about "The Scream" (pastel, 1895). If I look at it closely, it looks like someone drew the piece with a crayon. If that makes it a painting, whatever, if not, whatever. Munch used a pastel crayon and applied the pigment onto a dang piece of paper, so I hope whatever my brother is trying to prove is worth the time. IMHO, this clown we work with is not worth the time to prove anything to. The end.

I threw him under the bus on purpose because I thought it was funny. But 90% of that post was fabricated for your benefit.

[SilentHell]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I threw him under the bus on purpose because I thought it was funny. But 90% of that post was fabricated for your benefit.

I gotcha. He needs to get off this forum for a change and submit his resume. I mean seriously, my brother and this d-bag argued for like 6 hours today over some stupid ugly painting. Think about how many applications and resume submissions you can do in 6 hours. I told the clown at work, "Munch used pastels to draw the painting on a board." And he said "It's not a painting though." And I was like, "FML!" So I guarantee you tomorrow I am going to have to sit there as a neutral party tomorrow listening to what is or isn't a painting for another 8 hours. I may kill one of them. However, by law of family, I can't kill my brother and feel good about it, so that leaves one bullet for the ginger oaf.

The 10% that was true was the part about the loser brother. He's told us all about you and your pile of crunchy tube socks.

[SilentHell]

Originally Posted by Phobia

The 10% that was true was the part about the loser brother. He's told us all about you and your pile of crunchy tube socks.

I don't own tube socks, however I do have crunchy socks. Mainly because they are convenient when you dont have a paper towel or proper cleaning cloth around. Socks are abundant, easily washable, and already smell of stank anyways. However, the crusty is only the tears from a headache that was caused by listening to an argument over freaking paintings. I have sex with my wife all the time, but when things get a little lonely, there is always a sock laying around.

[Rain Man]

I'm really torn on the definition of painting, and also on the family rift between lcarus and his brother. So I'll offer an unrelated art story.

I went to a contemporary art museum last week while traveling. I like creative contemporary art, but this stuff was not creative. It was things like a video of a guy doing various combinations of finger raising, and there was one painting that was a poorly executed white paint smeared on a canvas with a poorly executed blue circle in the middle of it. It was just bad.

There was one quote by one of the "artists" and my wife and I both found it quite amusing. The guy said, "I am an artist, and I have an art studio. Therefore, anything I create in my studio is art." We both had the reaction of 'not so fast there, buddy'. I can't remember what his specific creation was, but I remember it being quite unremarkable.

[Fishpicker]

I'd say if its done with chalk pastel, it's a drawing. If it's done with oil pastel, it's a painting.

[lcarus]

I showed him the email from the SD Art Institute guy, and he still thinks it's wrong. At this point, he's just in denial. He also brought in a bunch of his "art" to prove that he went to art school and did artwork. LOL.

He says common sense would tell you that it isn't a painting since it isn't done with paint and it isn't painted. I said that pastels are made from the same pigments that oil paint is made out of, it's just in a different medium, and also that a wise artist once said "drawing is painting is drawing"...or something of that nature. Because really, when you draw with a pen or pencil, you're just painting ink or lead onto a surface with a device.

[stevieray]

painted pony
warpaint
paint the town
let me paint you a picture

painting is art....the medium or form of application is irrelevant.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by stevieray

painted pony
warpaint
paint the town
let me paint you a picture

painting is art....the medium or form of application is irrelevant.

you all can **** off.

[JD10367]

Whether a "pastel" is a "painting" is a moot point. They're both "art", and that can be anything from the Mona Lisa to a dude who plops a crucifix into a jar of piss. Art is subjective. It's painting, drawing, sculpting, kinetic, macaroni glued on construction paper, architecture, whatever the **** you want it to be. IIRC the Mona Lisa is painted on a wood board. Some of Rembrandt's most expensive works are tiny pencil sketches. A one-sheet poster for the original "Frankenstein" movie is a giant lithograph done with machinery, and yet some consider it "art" enough to make it a million-dollar poster. Some of the most expensive modern "art" is indeed actual painting, but it's nothing more than a red circle with a yellow line through it (which some stuffed-shirt will tell you encompasses "man's insignificance" or some other total bullshit).

Hell, personally I expand the definition to include objects constructed for films, such as the sci-fi props sold on the TV auction show "Hollywood Treasures"; if a master craftsman sculpts a monster, and it's a one-of-a-kind, and it's used in a film, why isn't that "art" any more than the Mona Lisa?

[boogblaster]

looks like a 3rd grader painted it .....