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Ex #Chiefs GM Carl Peterson: “I don’t keep track of what’s wrong (in KC), but it’s a sad situation." LOTS more coming to @KCStar ...

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More Carl Peterson: "I don’t think the cupboard was bare when they came… They had one good year, won the division, then went south." #Chiefs

Excerpt: Pioli and Peterson's first four years with Chiefs
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

Editor's note: Coming Sunday, we take an in-depth look at how the first four years of Scott Pioli’s tenure as general manager of the Chiefs stack up against the first four years of former GM Carl Peterson. Both men enjoyed some highlights, and yes, some lowlights. Here’s an excerpt from what you can read Sunday in its entirety.

In 2009, when Scott Pioli took over as general manager of the Chiefs, he faced the same critical decisions that his predecessor, Carl Peterson, did 20 years earlier.

Hire the right head coach; select a quarterback with a strong and accurate arm; make shrewd picks at the top of the draft; fill holes on the roster via free agency.

Those are the four pillars for building a successful NFL franchise. Make the right decisions, and the club can enjoy long-term stability that produces perennial playoff teams, if not Super Bowl champions. Whiff on those choices, and it will set a franchise back into perpetual rebuilding jobs.

Pioli, who is midway through his fourth season running the club, appears to have struck out on all counts. His first head coach, Todd Haley who had never been a head coach at any level, didn’t make it through his third season, though the Chiefs did win the AFC West in 2010. Haley’s successor, Romeo Crennel, is 3-8 since taking over last December, including a 1-7 mark this year going into Monday night’s game at Pittsburgh.

Pioli’s hand-picked quarterback, Matt Cassel, is the 31st-rated passer in the NFL, has turned the ball over an NFL-worst 18 times, and would be a backup right now had it not been for a concussion to backup-turned-starter Brady Quinn.

Pioli’s drafts have been unproductive, starting with defensive end Tyson Jackson, taken with the third overall pick in 2009, and his free-agent signees have made little impact.

When Peterson was hired by the late Lamar Hunt as president, general manager and chief operating officer in 1989, he hired Marty Schottenheimer, a proven winner at Cleveland, as head coach. Peterson inherited veteran quarterback Steve DeBerg, but for competition in the first year, he 1989 brought in free agent Ron Jaworski, spent a second-round draft choice for Mike Elkins and traded for Steve Pelluer. DeBerg led the Chiefs to three straight winning seasons to the 1990 and 1991 playoffs.

While Peterson’s draft record was spotty at best, he selected with the fourth overall pick in the 1989 draft outside linebacker Derrick Thomas, who would be the centerpiece of a ferocious defense and eventually be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And though unfettered free agency would not begin until 1993, he took advantage of the precursor of the system, Plan B free agency, and combed the waiver wire for several major contributors on both sides of the ball.

The differences in the Chiefs of 1989-1992 and the Chiefs of 2009-2012?

The Chiefs went 39-24-1 in Peterson’s first four years, and only a 17-17 tie in the mud at Cleveland in 1989 kept the club from reaching the postseason all four years. And a once-moribund fan base that included fewer than 25,000 season ticket holders in 1988 became 75,000 strong by 1991 and created one of the most menacing home-field advantages in football.

“The general manager presents and acquires the players, but the rest of the story has to be the coaches who develop these guys to do what they want them to do,” said Peterson, who today divides his time between Kansas City and New York. “I don’t keep track of what’s wrong (in Kansas City), but it’s a sad situation.

“As a general manager, you have to have an intimate working relationship with your head coach. My job was to hire the head football coach and give him everything he needed to be successful … That would include his coaching staff, players, facilities and create an environment to win.”

The current Chiefs are 22-34 under Pioli and have spiraled into one of the biggest punchlines in the NFL. They have trailed by at least 17 points in seven of their eight games; lost six games by double digits; became the first team since at least 1929 not to have led a game in regulation through eight games of a season; and, worst of all, have won just three of their last 14 games at Arrowhead Stadium, where fan apathy is starting to set in — just as it did in the dark days of the late 1970s and most of the 1980s.

“I don’t know exactly what happened in the first year before I got here (in 2010),” said Crennel, speaking for Pioli, who chose not to comment for this story. “We got to the playoffs (in 2010), and we weren’t able to repeat it (last) year. And then this year, we’re really struggling.

“The only thing I can do is try to improve the lot that I have right now. We’ve got eight games, and if we can get it turned around in eight games, we can say that there’s a chance that this organization can move forward.”

READ THE FULL STORY SUNDAY ONLINE AT KANSASCITY.COM AND IN THE PRINT EDITION OF THE KANSAS CITY STAR.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/09...#storylink=cpy

**Easy 6** · 11-09-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Anyone who's sorry for firing Carl is an idiot.

Yup.

He only represents another way of not getting it done.

suzzer99 · 11-09-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

3 playoff wins. They had one in 91 season

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Originally Posted by BossChief

one of those must have slipped by me.

I was at that game. Most electric stadium experience I've ever been around. The highlight of the game was Art Shell's Raiders driving for a possible go ahead FG late in the game, then winding up with a first and 45 or or something after a 4 penalties in a row - knocking them out of field goal range. The crowd just went bananas.

Had a free ticket for the Montana game against Pittsburgh. Decided not to go because it was cold, raining, and I was hungover.

Also had ticket for the AFC championship game all 3 times we went 13-3.

KCbroncoHATER · 11-09-2012, 10:30 PM

I miss Carl.

Lex Luthor · 11-09-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

oops, they won 2 games during '93. oh well, not a Carl fan. I despise Piholi but Carl is just as much an idiot in my book. actually, he's more an idiot.

That's just plain stupid. It's fine to say you're not a Carl Peterson fan, but to say that he is worse than Pioli is incredibly ignorant.

DaWolf · 11-10-2012, 01:22 AM

**** Carl. Never developed a receiver. Never developed a QB. Insisted on employing Gunther. Hands a big contract to Larry Johnson while screwing around with Jared Allen because he thought Allen was a bad apple. **** Carl. Just as bad as Pioli. Never won a damn thing with Carl. 20 years and all we got was 4 division titles, which comes out to 1 every 5 years. **** Carl. Elvis Grbac. Steve Bono. Dan Williams. Carlton Gray. Trezelle Jenkins. **** Carl...

bobbything · 11-10-2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

**** Carl. Never developed a receiver. Never developed a QB. Insisted on employing Gunther. Hands a big contract to Larry Johnson while screwing around with Jared Allen because he thought Allen was a bad apple. **** Carl. Just as bad as Pioli. Never won a damn thing with Carl. 20 years and all we got was 4 division titles, which comes out to 1 every 5 years. **** Carl. Elvis Grbac. Steve Bono. Dan Williams. Carlton Gray. Trezelle Jenkins. **** Carl...

Agreed on everything except, "Just as bad as Pioli."

I can't get behind that. Carl is the reason we are all so angry at Pioli...he actually made us care about this team. For a long while, he was a very good GM.

Chiefspants · 11-10-2012, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KCbroncoHATER

I miss LJ.

Fixed.

kcxiv · 11-10-2012, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

True fan right there.

Not me. I long for a Super Bowl + winning a few of them is even better, not to be greedy but yeah I want to be a Super Bowl champion hoarder.

Well, you still need a 10-6 season to get into the play offs. ITs just about getting in year in and year out, but you also need a legit qb, but we all know that.

I wouldnt mind getting there at 10-6 if we had a good qb.

DaWolf · 11-10-2012, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

Agreed on everything except, "Just as bad as Pioli."

I can't get behind that. Carl is the reason we are all so angry at Pioli...he actually made us care about this team. For a long while, he was a very good GM.

He was crap. He made one good decision, and that was hiring Marty. And that was by luck because his first choice was his buddy Vermeil and he turned Carl down at the time. I'll give you that he was better than Pioli solely based on the fact that Pioli has not hired a head coach worth a damn.

But Marty carried Carl throughout the 90's. I reiterate, one division title every five years is a pathetic pace to set during your tenure. Percy Snow, Harvey Williams, Greg Hill, Trezelle Jenkins, Victor Riley, Trezelle Jenkins, Sylvester Morris, Ryan Sims. Really?

I'm sure if we gave Pioli 20 years and 4 coaches he could luck his way into a few decent first rounders and win 3 more division titles during that stretch where everything goes right just like 2010 with the easy schedule and no injuries. That would be a horrific, horrific mistake, just like Carl was. Carl should have been canned as soon as Gunther got fired and Rich Gannon was named AFC Player of the Year. What a waste of 20 years. And no, Carl did not make me care about this team. I have always cared about this team. Carl was painful, Carl was mediocrity, Carl was being just good enough to get butts in the seats and then accomplishing nothing. Carl stood in our way for 20 years. **** Carl...

**BossChief** · 11-10-2012, 01:58 AM

In Petersons first year, he drafted Derrick Thomas 4th overall.

In Piolis first year, he passed on Brian Orakpo to take Tyson Jackson 4th overall.

In Petersons 4th year, he did what it took to get Joe Montana.

In Piolis 4th year, he didn't do enough to get Peyton Manning.

I feel embarrassed to have defended Pioli for as long as I did. The guy is a complete morAn.

DaWolf · 11-10-2012, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

In Petersons first year, he drafted Derrick Thomas 4th overall.

In Piolis first year, he passed on Brian Orakpo to take Tyson Jackson 4th overall.

In Petersons 4th year, he did what it took to get Joe Montana.

In Piolis 4th year, he didn't do enough to get Peyton Manning.

I feel embarrassed to have defended Pioli for as long as I did. The guy is a complete morAn.

I feel embarrassed for Chiefs fans that we're sitting here justifying the Peterson era. Carl had everyone sold, yet he never won jack.

It's probably a good thing for us that Pioli has been shown to be such an abject failure in just four years. We got a division title out of it, which is essentially what we got out of Carl. But unlike Carl, at least we can move on and hopefully find someone who is going to raise the profile of this franchise to championship contender. The worst thing would have been if this turned out to be another 7-9 to 9-7 season. That would have meant another year of mediocre QB's, another year of mediocre coaching, another year of mediocre drafts. And the same thing the next year. And the same thing the next year. And fans would have kept coming to the games. And we end up going another 20 years with little to show for it.

I just hope the next guy we hire doesn't have three straight non-playoff seasons with a bust at QB, so we don't have to sit around and read some stupid article about how Pioli at least managed to win a division title and send a QB to the pro bowl in his first two years. Because that's how I see that Carl article. Pioli's suckiness does not make Carl good. Carl was pure suck.

And there's a reason Carl Peterson, Bill Kuharick, and Herman Edwards are not employed by any NFL franchises...

Imon Yourside · 11-10-2012, 03:19 AM

Tough SOB negotiator.

Imon Yourside · 11-10-2012, 03:21 AM

DO NOT WANT CARL BACK, I do appreciate the success he had at times but NO just NO. I can't take another Gunther/Herm hire.

KCbroncoHATER · 11-10-2012, 07:45 AM

Like it or not Carl was the reason we had so many great years at Arrowhead.

**notorious** · 11-10-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

In Petersons first year, he drafted Derrick Thomas 4th overall.

In Piolis first year, he passed on Brian Orakpo to take Tyson Jackson 4th overall.

In Petersons 4th year, he did what it took to get Joe Montana.

In Piolis 4th year, he didn't do enough to get Peyton Manning.

I feel embarrassed to have defended Pioli for as long as I did. The guy is a complete morAn.

Pioli could have dumped 35 million/year in cash at Peyton's doorstep and wouldn't have got him to come here. Peyton knows a loser when he sees it.

Not to be a correcting prick, but TJax was 3rd overall, which makes the FAIL even worse.

11-09-2012, 04:14 PM
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3516009	Carl Peterson on Chiefs Jeff Rosen ‏@jeff_rosen88 Ex #Chiefs GM Carl Peterson: “I don’t keep track of what’s wrong (in KC), but it’s a sad situation." LOTS more coming to @KCStar ... Jeff Rosen ‏@jeff_rosen88 More Carl Peterson: "I don’t think the cupboard was bare when they came… They had one good year, won the division, then went south." #Chiefs Excerpt: Pioli and Peterson's first four years with Chiefs By RANDY COVITZ The Kansas City Star Editor's note: Coming Sunday, we take an in-depth look at how the first four years of Scott Pioli’s tenure as general manager of the Chiefs stack up against the first four years of former GM Carl Peterson. Both men enjoyed some highlights, and yes, some lowlights. Here’s an excerpt from what you can read Sunday in its entirety. In 2009, when Scott Pioli took over as general manager of the Chiefs, he faced the same critical decisions that his predecessor, Carl Peterson, did 20 years earlier. Hire the right head coach; select a quarterback with a strong and accurate arm; make shrewd picks at the top of the draft; fill holes on the roster via free agency. Those are the four pillars for building a successful NFL franchise. Make the right decisions, and the club can enjoy long-term stability that produces perennial playoff teams, if not Super Bowl champions. Whiff on those choices, and it will set a franchise back into perpetual rebuilding jobs. Pioli, who is midway through his fourth season running the club, appears to have struck out on all counts. His first head coach, Todd Haley who had never been a head coach at any level, didn’t make it through his third season, though the Chiefs did win the AFC West in 2010. Haley’s successor, Romeo Crennel, is 3-8 since taking over last December, including a 1-7 mark this year going into Monday night’s game at Pittsburgh. Pioli’s hand-picked quarterback, Matt Cassel, is the 31st-rated passer in the NFL, has turned the ball over an NFL-worst 18 times, and would be a backup right now had it not been for a concussion to backup-turned-starter Brady Quinn. Pioli’s drafts have been unproductive, starting with defensive end Tyson Jackson, taken with the third overall pick in 2009, and his free-agent signees have made little impact. When Peterson was hired by the late Lamar Hunt as president, general manager and chief operating officer in 1989, he hired Marty Schottenheimer, a proven winner at Cleveland, as head coach. Peterson inherited veteran quarterback Steve DeBerg, but for competition in the first year, he 1989 brought in free agent Ron Jaworski, spent a second-round draft choice for Mike Elkins and traded for Steve Pelluer. DeBerg led the Chiefs to three straight winning seasons to the 1990 and 1991 playoffs. While Peterson’s draft record was spotty at best, he selected with the fourth overall pick in the 1989 draft outside linebacker Derrick Thomas, who would be the centerpiece of a ferocious defense and eventually be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And though unfettered free agency would not begin until 1993, he took advantage of the precursor of the system, Plan B free agency, and combed the waiver wire for several major contributors on both sides of the ball. The differences in the Chiefs of 1989-1992 and the Chiefs of 2009-2012? The Chiefs went 39-24-1 in Peterson’s first four years, and only a 17-17 tie in the mud at Cleveland in 1989 kept the club from reaching the postseason all four years. And a once-moribund fan base that included fewer than 25,000 season ticket holders in 1988 became 75,000 strong by 1991 and created one of the most menacing home-field advantages in football. “The general manager presents and acquires the players, but the rest of the story has to be the coaches who develop these guys to do what they want them to do,” said Peterson, who today divides his time between Kansas City and New York. “I don’t keep track of what’s wrong (in Kansas City), but it’s a sad situation. “As a general manager, you have to have an intimate working relationship with your head coach. My job was to hire the head football coach and give him everything he needed to be successful … That would include his coaching staff, players, facilities and create an environment to win.” The current Chiefs are 22-34 under Pioli and have spiraled into one of the biggest punchlines in the NFL. They have trailed by at least 17 points in seven of their eight games; lost six games by double digits; became the first team since at least 1929 not to have led a game in regulation through eight games of a season; and, worst of all, have won just three of their last 14 games at Arrowhead Stadium, where fan apathy is starting to set in — just as it did in the dark days of the late 1970s and most of the 1980s. “I don’t know exactly what happened in the first year before I got here (in 2010),” said Crennel, speaking for Pioli, who chose not to comment for this story. “We got to the playoffs (in 2010), and we weren’t able to repeat it (last) year. And then this year, we’re really struggling. “The only thing I can do is try to improve the lot that I have right now. We’ve got eight games, and if we can get it turned around in eight games, we can say that there’s a chance that this organization can move forward.” READ THE FULL STORY SUNDAY ONLINE AT KANSASCITY.COM AND IN THE PRINT EDITION OF THE KANSAS CITY STAR. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/09...#storylink=cpy
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KCbroncoHATER KCBH Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Lee's Summit, Missiouri Casino cash: $9984900	I miss Carl.
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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	** Carl. Never developed a receiver. Never developed a QB. Insisted on employing Gunther. Hands a big contract to Larry Johnson while screwing around with Jared Allen because he thought Allen was a bad apple. Carl. Just as bad as Pioli. Never won a damn thing with Carl. 20 years and all we got was 4 division titles, which comes out to 1 every 5 years. Carl. Elvis Grbac. Steve Bono. Dan Williams. Carlton Gray. Trezelle Jenkins. ** Carl...
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11-10-2012, 01:58 AM	#55
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1704088	In Petersons first year, he drafted Derrick Thomas 4th overall. In Piolis first year, he passed on Brian Orakpo to take Tyson Jackson 4th overall. In Petersons 4th year, he did what it took to get Joe Montana. In Piolis 4th year, he didn't do enough to get Peyton Manning. I feel embarrassed to have defended Pioli for as long as I did. The guy is a complete morAn. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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Imon Yourside WhatUneed2Hear Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: AllSoulsMatter Casino cash: $2463181	Tough SOB negotiator. __________________ "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" Peter 5:8 "Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay" Isaiah 29:16 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20
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11-10-2012, 03:21 AM	#58
Imon Yourside WhatUneed2Hear Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: AllSoulsMatter Casino cash: $2463181	DO NOT WANT CARL BACK, I do appreciate the success he had at times but NO just NO. I can't take another Gunther/Herm hire. __________________ "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" Peter 5:8 "Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay" Isaiah 29:16 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20
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11-10-2012, 07:45 AM	#59
KCbroncoHATER KCBH Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Lee's Summit, Missiouri Casino cash: $9984900	Like it or not Carl was the reason we had so many great years at Arrowhead.
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