1 gap 3-4; how do you think it will shake out?

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't think there is any way Bailey can play full time anywhere at this point.

He is just sooooo sloooooooow off the line. You could use him as a situational interior lineman in your nickle packages, but that's about it.

He's as bad as anyone I've ever seen at getting off the ball. That's what keeps Poe from being great as well, but he's still a hell of a lot better at it than Bailey is.

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He's small/short for the position if anything. Had poor hand technique, yadayada.

And Poe is plenty quick off the ball -- he was playing 2 gap techniques as well, so he did not look real good this year, but slow off the ball he was not.

Dorsey is slow, but quick off the ball. so what. he's got nothing for the NFL. But at least he was given 5 ****ing seasons to improve.

Poe needs time, he's lacking technique -- that was his MO coming up. Had nothing to do with his ability to get off the ball.


You know what, you're an asshole for even tossing these guys out after 1 & 2 seasons. You know damn well DL players require 3 or more seasons to develop.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He's small/short for the position if anything. Had poor hand technique, yadayada.

Actually, he didn't.

Most of his snaps came in sub packages as a pass rusher.

And he was ****ing horrible.

He's a guy who's built like a tank with some straight line speed (4.75ish if I recall). That's it.

He's probably not even an NFL player. Should get into pro wrestling.

[RunKC]

Star Lotulelei?!?!

Yes let's draft another DL who can't get much pressure on the QB, and at 1st overall no less!!!!!

JFC

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Actually, he didn't.

Most of his snaps came in sub packages as a pass rusher.

And he was ****ing horrible.

He's a guy who's built like a tank with some straight line speed (4.75ish if I recall). That's it.

He's probably not even an NFL player. Should get into pro wrestling.

He was lined up on the LT even during subs, wendler. he disappointed, yes. But I am not going to say he has peaked or isn't going to stick in the NFL. Hell, I don't even know why we are so stuck on the guy, other than to give him another go or not. This defense is lacking DL. He'll likely get another op, at least a look during TC etc. No idea if he sticks, but his initial step isn't the problem, he simply needs to learn how to play the game/his position at this level as most players do.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

He was lined up on the LT even during subs, wendler. he disappointed, yes. But I am not going to say he has peaked or isn't going to stick in the NFL. Hell, I don't even know why we are so stuck on the guy, other than to give him another go or not. This defense is lacking DL. He'll likely get another op, at least a look during TC etc. No idea if he sticks, but his initial step isn't the problem, he simply needs to learn how to play the game/his position at this level as most players do.

Uhh, no he was not.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Uhh, no he was not.

oooooooooooooh yes he waaaaaaaaaaaaaas.

he played under the LT a lot as I recall.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

oooooooooooooh yes he waaaaaaaaaaaaaas.

he played under the LT a lot as I recall.

Here;s an example of our 2-3-6 against NE. Bailey plays the same position as Tyson in subs and base fronts; Tyson is playing the 3 tech in b/w the RG and RT.



Explain to me how our DL plays over the LT in subs again?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Explain to me how our DL plays over the LT in subs again?

When he called Goatse "Wendler" it ocurred to me that, while the name is new, he's clearly not a noob. So I looked at his post count and realized he'd been here awhile.

Then I hovered over his screen name and realize it was Lou_Zare.

Then I punched myself in the balls for wasting time responding to that assclown. He's Blackbobian in his ability to be wrong. Every. Single. Time.

And he adds his Blackbobian understanding of the game with a Dane-like streak if prickishness anytime anyone dares point out his inanity.

I'm thinking any additional effort put into schooling this ****tard is wasted effort.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Here;s an example of our 2-3-6 against NE. Bailey plays the same position as Tyson in subs and base fronts; Tyson is playing the 3 tech in b/w the RG and RT.



Explain to me how our DL plays over the LT in subs again?

Under is what I said, as in under front or inside the LT. Just because a DL lines up in a gap does not mean he's stuck there. there are many plays involving stunt/twist movements as you know.

JFC the children are coming out to play today.

We all know Bailey's odds of sticking in the NFL are slim, as is the case with most players drafted mid late rounds etc. I just want to hold up on calling him done.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Uhh, no he was not.

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How exactly in the **** does that even remotely look like a 4-tech head up on a tackle?



Additionally, this subpckg is a 2-4-5 which is not our most common sub variant.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

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How exactly in the **** does that even remotely look like a 4-tech head up on a tackle?



Additionally, this subpckg is a 2-4-5 which is not our most common sub variant.

there, that's the look I'm talking about. From there, and depending on what the offense does, he often ends up taking on the LT from that spot. That is all I was saying.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He actually typically played LDE against RTs and the 3tech in our subs which we ran extensively.

And Poe is plenty quick off the ball -- he was playing 2 gap techniques as well, so he did not look real good this year, but slow off the ball he was not.He didn't play 2-gap in our sub packages which we played in quite a bit.

Dorsey is slow, but quick off the ball. so what. he's got nothing for the NFL. But at least he was given 5 ****ing seasons to improve.

Poe needs time, he's lacking technique -- that was his MO coming up. Had nothing to do with his ability to get off the ball.


You know what, you're an asshole for even tossing these guys out after 1 & 2 seasons. You know damn well DL players require 3 or more seasons to develop.

As to the last point, that simply isn't true anymore. Guys drafted in the first two rounds are typically expected to produce and at the very least, flash occasionally. Try telling your development theory to Watt, Wilkerson, Suh (who is overrated), McCoy.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

As to the last point, that simply isn't true anymore. Guys drafted in the first two rounds are typically expected to produce and at the very least, flash occasionally. Try telling your development theory to Watt, Wilkerson, Suh (who is overrated), McCoy.

all exceptions to the rule and you aren't considering the player's draft position/rating etc.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He's small/short for the position if anything. Had poor hand technique, yadayada.

And Poe is plenty quick off the ball -- he was playing 2 gap techniques as well, so he did not look real good this year, but slow off the ball he was not.

Dorsey is slow, but quick off the ball. so what. he's got nothing for the NFL. But at least he was given 5 ****ing seasons to improve.

Poe needs time, he's lacking technique -- that was his MO coming up. Had nothing to do with his ability to get off the ball.


You know what, you're an asshole for even tossing these guys out after 1 & 2 seasons. You know damn well DL players require 3 or more seasons to develop.

What does the fact that he played the 5-tech against LTs really poorly have to do with anything I just said?

He got abused off the line while doing it. He sucks ass at getting off the ball, that's why he was garbage as a 5-tech.

And yes, Poe was slow off the ball. He has a tendency to lose his leverage and 'fall' into defenders rather than explode into them. It's not like he's missing the snap count, he just utilizes poor technique off the snap. I'm by no means giving up on him and in fact expect very good things out of him in the future. The fact remains that he has work to do in this regard.

As to Dorsey...well you're just wrong. Dorsey's not amazing, but he's a starter in this league and will start for someone next year. Allen Bailey will never have the NFL career that Dorsey has had precisely because he doesn't get off the ball.

You just keep exposing your idiocy here. Though I do love that you begin and end each display with some sort of juvenile blather.

By all means, keep it up.