Stone Temple Pilots fire lead singer

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Lzen

After hearing Check My Brain on the radio I, too, bought the album when it came out. I guess I was expecting a new, edgy AIC album. It just seemed to be lacking something. I hardly ever listen to it any more.

Too much Beat Detective, which overly quantized the drums, too many layered amps (Friedman Marsha, Bogner Ecstasy and an old " First 500" Rectifier), lame, undistinguished bass tone and too much Eventide Harmonizer on the vocals, especially Duvall's tracks.

It was just lame. And the next album is just more of the same.

Oh, and the songs were well below average.

[#1 Bronco's Fan]

Weiland is a great singer.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I grew up in the middle of the Mecca of grunge music. Figures too. Seattle has the highest suicide rate.

That said, it was ****ing awesome. But it's long gone, and did it's best to kill mainstream rock.

[DaneMcCloud]

If you guys are into AIC, check out Kill Devil Hill. Rex Brown from Pantera, Vinnie Appice from Sabbath and Dio, Dewey from Pissing Razors and Mark Zavon (badass mother****ing guitarist from Nebraska).

It's cool. The next record is even better. Check it.

[Deberg_1990]

Wasnt grunge originally just the Seattle bands? Then later you had bands like Bush who were basically ripping off that sound...then there was the big alternative movement in the mid 90s......which became mainstream, so it wasnt really alternative anymore.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Wasnt grunge originally just the Seattle bands? Then later you had bands like Bush who were basically ripping off that sound...then there was the big alternative movement in the mid 90s......which became mainstream, so it wasnt really alternative anymore.

'Alternative', for me, happened in the mid-80's : The Cure, Jane's Addiction, Sonic Youth, Teenage Fanclub, The Smiths, Teenage Fanclub, The Pixies, Faith No More, etc. Red Hot Chili Peppers were on the fringe at that time (EVERYBODY thought those ****ers were weird back then)

Those bands are the major precursors to the Nirvana/Smashing Pumpkins/Soundgarden wave of the early 90's - FNM really deserves a TON of credit for getting the first 'alternative' video into heavy rotation onto Mtv ('Epic') and then Jane's came with 'Been Caught Stealing', and 'alternative' was the new catchphrase.

Nirvana going to number 1 was the moment it all changed...

And yes, by 1994 you had the Bushs and Green Days and Candleboxes and Collective Souls and whatnot, that capitalized on the supposed 'grunge' sound...but imitators are most always pale shadows of the originals...

They still pump it out, though - Godsmack, Nickleback, Chevelle, etc.; lots of bands now try to carry that 'grunge' torch...and it all sounds the same. Like the same producers use the same plug-ins and the bands patch the same tracks into their live rigs...

Hey hey...my my...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

And yes, by 1994 you had the Bushs and Green Days and Candleboxes

Green Day was a punk band from Berkeley that had nothing to do with the Seattle sound: I know, because I was there, knew Billy and the guys, along with producer Rob Cavallo.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Green Day was a punk band from Berkeley that had nothing to do with the Seattle sound: I know, because I was there, knew Billy and the guys, along with producer Rob Cavallo.

Did they, or did they not, break big in the wake of the success of the 'grunge' fashion and music trends??

Green Day had more in common musically with Nirvana than they did with Black Flag or GG Allin. Calling Green Day 'punk' is like calling Sonny & Cher 'psychedelic' - you CAN, technically, but...

And yes, I know you're 'in the industry' and that you know Rob Cavallo. Good for you.

Personally, I'd be torn if Rob C. wanted to produce my band's record; on the one hand, people in the industry would pay attention and it's a great way toget heard and put on tours.

On the other hand, it would probably sound like it was produced by Rob Cavallo...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

Did they, or did they not, break big in the wake of the success of the 'grunge' fashion and music trends??

No, they absolutely did not.

Warner Brothers marketed them to alternative radio as a punk band. They were a Berkeley Punk band. In January 1994, BAM Magazine, which was hugely influential, named Dookie as best album of the year.

GD had absolutely nothing to do with the Seattle movement, which was nearly dead at that point, anyway.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

Green Day had more in common musically with Nirvana than they did with Black Flag or GG Allin. Calling Green Day 'punk' is like calling Sonny & Cher 'psychedelic' - you CAN, technically, but...

And yes, I know you're 'in the industry' and that you know Rob Cavallo. Good for you.

Personally, I'd be torn if Rob C. wanted to produce my band's record; on the one hand, people in the industry would pay attention and it's a great way toget heard and put on tours.

On the other hand, it would probably sound like it was produced by Rob Cavallo...

What the **** ever. You're what, 25 years old? So that means you were five years old when all of this happened. Add to that, you're some jackass know-it-all from Central Missouri that's so far removed from reality, it's actually laughable.

And if Rob wanted to produce your band (which would never happen, anyway), you'd be fool to pass up that kind of opportunity.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

Like the same producers use the same plug-ins and the bands patch the same tracks into their live rigs...

The same plugins?

You appear to know just enough to think that you know more than you do. EVERYONE, every stinkin' producer that's producing, uses the same plugins, including UA, Waves, McDsp, Lexicon or Melodyne, etc. Any producer that's working has everything in their arsenal.

And using backing tracks is nothing new. Bands have been doing it for decades. The overwhelming majority of people go to see a "show", not to critique whether or not the guitarist played the solo note-for-note or the drummer didn't lose a beat or time.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The same plugins?

You appear to know just enough to think that you know more than you do. EVERYONE, every stinkin' producer that's producing, uses the same plugins, including UA, Waves, McDsp, Lexicon or Melodyne, etc. Any producer that's working has everything in their arsenal.

I know just enought to know that is exactly what I DON'T wanna do

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And using backing tracks is nothing new. Bands have been doing it for decades. The overwhelming majority of people go to see a "show", not to critique whether or not the guitarist played the solo note-for-note or the drummer didn't lose a beat or time.

well, we don't run tracks and we never ****ing will.

Ever.

Hell, I'd love a drummer that's good enough to roll without a click...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

I know just enought to know that is exactly what I DON'T wanna do

And once again, you sound like a person that knows just enough to think they know what they're talking about but in reality, doesn't.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Wasnt grunge originally just the Seattle bands? Then later you had bands like Bush who were basically ripping off that sound...then there was the big alternative movement in the mid 90s......which became mainstream, so it wasnt really alternative anymore.

"Grunge" was a term that was used to describe Seattle rock bands. Everyone wore Doc Martens and Sketchers and flannel shirts (otherwise known as 7th grade for me, but whatever). Fashion has always been intertwined with rock music.

"Grunge" was also a marketing tool used by the promotions departments at record labels. Before that term, no one knew how to categorize those Seattle bands. I spoke to the head of AIC's promotions department in 1990 and they had no idea as to how to market them. They started out as a "college alternative" band, even though they were touring with Extreme.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

"Grunge" was a term that was used to describe Seattle rock bands. Everyone wore Doc Martens and Sketchers and flannel shirts (otherwise known as 7th grade for me, but whatever). Fashion has always been intertwined with rock music.

"Grunge" was also a marketing tool used by the promotions departments at record labels. Before that term, no one knew how to categorize those Seattle bands. I spoke to the head of AIC's promotions department in 1990 and they had no idea as to how to market them. They started out as a "college alternative" band, even though they were touring with Extreme.

Exactly - 'grunge' had NOTHING to do with music UNLESS you're in the industry.

The kids LAUGHED at the term. I remember when DOD came out woth the 'Grunge pedal' for guitar. A $200 pedal, designed to make your gear sound like cheap dogshit.

And the flannel + Doc Martens were for the 'mall kids' and the jet set.

I had hand-me-downs and shit from Wal-Mart. The 'grunge fashion line' was readily available at Wally-World...but they didn't call it 'grunge.'

I remember watching AIC debut with Man In The Box...on the Sat they debuted it on Headbanger's Ball, and on the Sunday they ran it on 120 Min...

I know this because I watched both shows - I even recorded the headbanger's ball episode that had AIC onto VHS. Butthole Surfers, Danzig, and Mötorghead were on that episode, too.

Old times were good times.

[Deberg_1990]

I remember Appetite for Destruction came out around 87 but they didnt get big until a year or two later. I had a buddy that kept wanting me to listen to it, but i kept refusing. heh, "Who is that?" LOL