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Old 01-23-2013, 07:35 PM   #1
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I'm not saying in year 2 after the surgery that Revis could'nt return to form, i just don't think he will next year.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:35 PM   #2
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Unless you trade him and sign a friendly extension at the same time, what's the point? In effect we would trade a second rounder for one year of Revis on a rebuilding team and the right to negotiate for a year.

The guy is obviously going to go to whoever pays him the most, so either wait a year and open up the pocketbook (and devote $140 million to CBs) or let someone else trade assets for him.

It's the type of deal fans love and that gets GMs fired: short-sighted band-aids.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:37 PM   #3
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Unless you trade him and sign a friendly extension at the same time, what's the point? In effect we would trade a second rounder for one year of Revis on a rebuilding team and the right to negotiate for a year.

The guy is obviously going to go to whoever pays him the most, so either wait a year and open up the pocketbook (and devote $140 million to CBs) or let someone else trade assets for him.

It's the type of deal fans love and that gets GMs fired: short-sighted band-aids.
Where is the 140 million coming from?
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:38 PM   #4
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Where is the 140 million coming from?
$60 million for Flowers+the other trash on the roster+$80 million for Revis.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:40 PM   #5
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$60 million for Flowers+the other trash on the roster+$80 million for Revis.
Well, you aren't likely to end up paying him all that money. Depending on what you guaranteed him, you could front end the money.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:42 PM   #6
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Unless you trade him and sign a friendly extension at the same time, what's the point? In effect we would trade a second rounder for one year of Revis on a rebuilding team and the right to negotiate for a year.

The guy is obviously going to go to whoever pays him the most, so either wait a year and open up the pocketbook (and devote $140 million to CBs) or let someone else trade assets for him.

It's the type of deal fans love and that gets GMs fired: short-sighted band-aids.
If we could get him for the first pick in the third round, I'd jump on that...trading our second rounder would be worth it if he agrees to sign.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:49 PM   #7
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If we could get him for the first pick in the third round, I'd jump on that...trading our second rounder would be worth it if he agrees to sign.
Say we do trade for Revis. What are the odds he actually signs in KC for anything less than the biggest contract he'd get?

What are the odds he would not take KC's offer of the biggest contract if he were in New York, Dallas, or Tampa?

He'll go where the money is, IMO. Therefore unless one year of Revis> 4-5 of a #65 pick and the surplus money from not paying for that year, you don't make the trade.

I don't see how that equation points to us trading for him, unless for some reason the guy likes holding out for reasons other than money.
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Unless you trade him and sign a friendly extension at the same time, what's the point? In effect we would trade a second rounder for one year of Revis on a rebuilding team and the right to negotiate for a year.

The guy is obviously going to go to whoever pays him the most, so either wait a year and open up the pocketbook (and devote $140 million to CBs) or let someone else trade assets for him.

It's the type of deal fans love and that gets GMs fired: short-sighted band-aids.
This.

It just isnt a good idea for this team, if we were a top corner away from contending it'd be a different story.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:46 PM   #9
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This.

It just isnt a good idea for this team, if we were a top corner away from contending it'd be a different story.
This is where I fall. You can also make the argument that players of Revis' talent are a fit anywhere, but for a team that has a ton of holes, giving up the opportunity for cheap, cost-controlled young players for a player probably at the tail end of his prime pulls us in two separate directions.
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This is where I fall. You can also make the argument that players of Revis' talent are a fit anywhere, but for a team that has a ton of holes, giving up the opportunity for cheap, cost-controlled young players for a player probably at the tail end of his prime pulls us in two separate directions.
I get that, and I grudgingly probably agree, but he would upgrade a hole, significantly.


And on defense, I'm not exactly sure the holes are ones that need to be filled with high draft picks. A core of Revis, Flowers, Berry, Tamba (who's on the tail end), DJ (also tail end), Poe, Berry, and Houston, you could potentially fill in the rest with "role" guys.

And to be quite honest, alot of this from me is coming from the fact that we've have "cap hits, cost fits can't spend for this guy etc" shoved down our throat by Pioli , then he turns around and spends on Jackson and Cassel, that I don't give a damn about the cap.
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It also violates a pretty good de facto rule: Unless the guy is a QB, don't give him a third contract.
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It also violates a pretty good de facto rule: Unless the guy is a QB, don't give him a third contract.
Well, yeah. But technically this is his 3rd deal, but he's still 27
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I'm also assuming he's gonna stay in his prime until he's 32,33. Probably won't, but if that were the case, I'd be more inclined.
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