Chiefs LNBS: Aaron Murray will be our Nick Foles - Page 8

**BossChief** · 05-12-2014, 08:48 PM

I think both guys waited a year too long to enter the draft.

If Nick Foles had come out after his junior year, he would have had a chance to be a first round pick. If Aaron Murray came out last year, he would have, too. Heck, Tony Dungy said on espn last year that he would take Aaron Murray first overall if he had come out.

I know some here have said the guy won't ever have a chance to start, but I really think the kid can do everything Alex Smith did last year and then some, if given the chance.

Mr_Tomahawk · 05-13-2014, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

I keep hearing this back and forth about his noodle arm - but does anyone have video showing his inability to make certain throws? Because scouting reports I've seen have stated that he is able to make all the Pro Style throws, and Georgia ran a Pro Style set offense. There was even talk about how familiar with the terminology when the Chiefs interviewed him.

Rolling out to his right and throwing on the run across his body to the opposite end of the field. A la Aaron Rodgers.

Bray can do this.

Dayze · 05-13-2014, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He doesn't have a noodle arm at all. I don't know where people are getting that.

Some of his boundary throws (like out routes) can take a long time to arrive, which makes him more susceptible to picks at the NFL level.

But his biggest problem is mechanical and can be corrected. If he doesn't get his base set right, he tends to put a lot of balls short and in the dirt and stuff like that.The bottom line is that this is Chiefsplanet. There's a contingent that thinks he's going to be the #1 starter in 2015 and the next Trent Green and there's a contingent that thinks he's midget garbage.

The simple fact is that neither of those things are really true. He's a good value pick. He definitely has starter upside but his more probable fit is as a long-term backup QB in this league.

This is what i noticed as well. he sometimes doesn't hit the swing passes to the back in stride; and some are a bit high. I think it's mostly due to foot work getting a big squirelly

DBOSHO · 05-13-2014, 07:52 AM

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Some truly stupid shit has been posted recently about wanting to release Daniel and keep Bray and Murray.

Why?

So when Smith goes down, which is entirely possible given his track record, the Chiefs have absolutely zero ****ing chance of even being representable on Sundays? So we can try to replicate the Tyler mother****ing Palko era?

But, but, but Daniel[s] sucks!!2!! Yeah, and he's a mother****ing HOFer compared to the likes of UDFA Bray. That's reality. And so is Murray.

I saw more from bray this past preseason than I've ever seen from daniel.

htismaqe · 05-13-2014, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

This is what i noticed as well. he sometimes doesn't hit the swing passes to the back in stride; and some are a bit high. I think it's mostly due to foot work getting a big squirelly

Yep.

He got much better this past season but really, his biggest weakness is that he just doesn't focus in the pocket. He tends to get antsy, especially when the rush is on.

The problem is some guys are fearless and some guys aren't. It's definitely something that Murray will have to work on a lot.

Dayze · 05-13-2014, 07:59 AM

and, the thing with WCO is getting to your drop depth, whatever it is for that play, and getting the ball out on time to a particular spot. Yeah, I know 'on-time' applies to almost every QB, but I think in the WCO it's critical. and with that comes the football IQ to read pre-snap defenses.

all of which is correctable with coaching.

**J Diddy** · 05-13-2014, 08:01 AM

I've always hated the picking of someone's name out and then saying so and so could be the next him. Just seems silly.

I mean if you're at work as an accountant and been doing it well for 20 years and they hire a new kid fresh out of college, do they say he could be the next you?

**buddha** · 05-13-2014, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm aware of that.

Watched a lot of Murray, and have always liked him.
Felt he has the same kind of accuracy and anticipation in his game as Brees.

But if he was really thought of as a high draft pick before the knee, I really doubt that knee would have caused a drop into the fifth round.

You would be 100% wrong. He didn't shrink in one year, nor did his arm get weaker. If the young man is good enough to be considered a 1st round pick two years ago and drops to the 5th this year, and he hasn't picked up a heroin habit along the way, the ONLY explanation that makes any sense is his ACL injury.

**buddha** · 05-13-2014, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Rolling out to his right and throwing on the run across his body to the opposite end of the field. A la Aaron Rodgers.

Bray can do this.

Sadly, he can't do anything else that Reid wants him to do. Tomahawk's latest strong-armed QB man crush is about to go bye, bye.

htismaqe · 05-13-2014, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha

You would be 100% wrong. He didn't shrink in one year, nor did his arm get weaker. If the young man is good enough to be considered a 1st round pick two years ago and drops to the 5th this year, and he hasn't picked up a heroin habit along the way, the ONLY explanation that makes any sense is his ACL injury.

He wasn't a 1st round pick two years ago. People speculated that he could have been a 1st round pick, like Tony Dungy, but if he really WAS a potential 1st round pick in scouts eyes, the ACL wouldn't have dropped him all the way to the 5th.

**buddha** · 05-13-2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He wasn't a 1st round pick two years ago. People speculated that he could have been a 1st round pick, like Tony Dungy, but if he really WAS a potential 1st round pick in scouts eyes, the ACL wouldn't have dropped him all the way to the 5th.

I read more than one publication that projected him as a 1st round pick. Sorry, I didn't save any of the URLs, but it really doesn't matter.

Six foot QBs don't typically get a lot of love in the NFL draft, no matter how good they are on the field. Murray's accuracy and production were special in college. The reason he fell to the 5th is the ACL injury.

tooge · 05-13-2014, 08:27 AM

But, but, but...the chiefs won't ever draft a QB. Ok, they drafted a QB (like they did with Croyle) that is a gamer coming off an injury. Maybe they got a gem. Not a hidden gem, because last year alot of football people were talking him up as one of the better prospects. Hopefully he works out and is a stud that comes in after a year of watching AS play out his contract.

**Anyong Bluth** · 05-13-2014, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Bull

I've always hated the picking of someone's name out and then saying so and so could be the next him. Just seems silly.

I mean if you're at work as an accountant and been doing it well for 20 years and they hire a new kid fresh out of college, do they say he could be the next you?

Nobody gives 2 shits to keep your accounting highlights or scout your replacement. Nobody turns on the tv to watch Sunday or Monday Night Accounting.

Nor Draft.

**RealSNR** · 05-13-2014, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's also a complete logical fallacy to suggest that he can when really none of the evidence supports it.

Aaron Murray has a lot of things to like. He put up great numbers in the best conference. He has very good accuracy when he concentrates and sets himself.

But Aaron Murray also lacks several things that guys like Brees and Wilson have, namely ice in their veins and the ability to make something out of nothing.

Without the ACL, he wouldn't have been a 1st round pick. Dozens and dozens of scouting reports aren't wrong.

Read my post again, particularly the part about the logical fallacy.

htismaqe · 05-13-2014, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Read my post again, particularly the part about the logical fallacy.

I wasn't talking specifically about you - you're post just gave me an adequate "in" into the conversation.

I was talking more about this seeming attitude that Murray IS going to be special rather than reality, which is that he COULD be.

KC_Lee · 05-13-2014, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge

But, but, but...the chiefs won't ever draft a QB. Ok, they drafted a QB (like they did with Croyle) that is a gamer coming off an injury. Maybe they got a gem. Not a hidden gem, because last year alot of football people were talking him up as one of the better prospects. Hopefully he works out and is a stud that comes in after a year of watching AS play out his contract.

And maybe a magical unicorn that craps gold will come live in my back yard but it ain't gonna happen.

05-12-2014, 08:48 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1894088	LNBS: Aaron Murray will be our Nick Foles I think both guys waited a year too long to enter the draft. If Nick Foles had come out after his junior year, he would have had a chance to be a first round pick. If Aaron Murray came out last year, he would have, too. Heck, Tony Dungy said on espn last year that he would take Aaron Murray first overall if he had come out. I know some here have said the guy won't ever have a chance to start, but I really think the kid can do everything Alex Smith did last year and then some, if given the chance.
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J Diddy Don't Be A Dick Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Joplin Casino cash: $6927192	I've always hated the picking of someone's name out and then saying so and so could be the next him. Just seems silly. I mean if you're at work as an accountant and been doing it well for 20 years and they hire a new kid fresh out of college, do they say he could be the next you?
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05-13-2014, 08:27 AM	#116
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $3974112	But, but, but...the chiefs won't ever draft a QB. Ok, they drafted a QB (like they did with Croyle) that is a gamer coming off an injury. Maybe they got a gem. Not a hidden gem, because last year alot of football people were talking him up as one of the better prospects. Hopefully he works out and is a stud that comes in after a year of watching AS play out his contract.
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