Do Geno fans have overinflated expectations?

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

It doesn't? So you would rather have a "franchise QB" -whatever that is- than a Super Bowl victory?

Once again, tell me, what is a franchise QB?

Once again, a franchise QB is a QB that takes the team on his back and wills them to victory.

Examples: Montana, Elway, Graham, Staubach, Marino, Bradshaw, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning II, and Flacco.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Crush

Once again, a franchise QB is a QB that takes the team on his back and wills them to victory.

Examples: Montana, Elway, Graham, Staubach, Marino, Bradshaw, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning II, and Flacco.

That is gobbledygook. It means nothing. It has no more meaning than saying someone is a "franchise quarterback.

Listing examples, on the other hand, gives us a frame of reference. We can look at their Career Approximate Value (CAV) based on statistics stripping out emotion.

Montana: 123
Elway: 138
Graham: 84
Staubach: 104
Marino: 145
Bradshaw: 106
P. Manning: 165
E. Manning: 86
Brady: 140
Roethlisberger: 86
Flacco: 55

OK, here are a couple of interesting facts about what you consider a "franchise QB": 1) with a couple of exceptions (Flacco and Roethlisberger) a franchise QB is either a current hall of famer or a future hall of famer, 2) with one exception (Flacco) all the QBs you've listed have a higher CAV than what you can typically expect with the number one overall pick (74).

You've supported the very point I was making in the OP. Thank you.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

That is gobbledygook. It means nothing. It has no more meaning than saying someone is a "franchise quarterback

Do you even watch football?

What do you call this?



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[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Crush

Do you even watch football?

What do you call this?

courtesy of GC

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

courtesy of GC

Furthermore, it would be nice to be comfortable with a QB in the clutch, and when someone asks you if you are worried during a game when KC is down needing a FG or TD to win. All you have to say is " No, because we have _insert badass QB here_ and he's going to do _insert badass QB here_ shit now."

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Crush

Do you even watch football?

What do you call this?



And this?



And this?



And this?



And this?



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And this?

By your definition, based upon those videos, we have traded for a "franchise QB."

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

By your definition, based upon those videos, we have traded for a "franchise QB."

That Saints D was hot garbage. Alex Smith couldn't convert on 3rd down if his life depended on it the next week against the Giants.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by Crush

That Saints D was hot garbage. Alex Smith couldn't convert on 3rd down if his life depended on it the next week against the Giants.

See that is such a bullshit argument....regardless of whether the D is "garbage" or not you still have to make the frickin plays.

That'd be like flipping it around and dismissing a large part of what Geno did in college because he consistently played below average to terrible defenses and when he played someone like a K-State didn't play well at all. Does it take away from what he did or make him any less of a prospect? Uh no.

I like Geno...I wanted Geno...I still do...but I'm not losing any sleep over the fact he more than likely will be playing elsewhere in the NFL.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Jerm

See that is such a bullshit argument....regardless of whether the D is "garbage" or not you still have to make the frickin plays.

That'd be like flipping it around and dismissing a large part of what Geno did in college because he consistently played below average to terrible defenses and when he played someone like a K-State didn't play well at all. Does it take away from what he did or make him any less of a prospect? Uh no.

I like Geno...I wanted Geno...I still do...but I'm not losing any sleep over the fact he more than likely will be playing elsewhere in the NFL.

Vernon Davis carried the team on his back on that final drive. If Alex Smith converted just one third down in that NFC Championship game, we have a 49ers/Patriots Super Bowl. Alex Smith being clutch against that Saints D is akin to Cassel throwing over 400 yards against the Donks in garbage time. Alex Smith is absolute garbage. Geno may be garbage or a franchise QB, but this franchise is too chicken shit to find out. Thus, why they are 3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV.