GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends - Page 2

nmt1 · 12-01-2004, 06:35 AM

Of course we all know that Gretz is just a shill for the organization but I found this column interesting.

GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends
Dec 01, 2004, 6:01:28 AM by Bob Gretz

It’s only natural given the Chiefs position at the bottom of the AFC West standings that the blame game is being heavily played by the fans and media. Expectations were high; production has been low, so off with their heads!

This always leads to a gestation process that creates great urban legends surrounding the Chiefs. Several of these have been bounced around lately by the tin-horn voices that control the sports talk airwaves, in this case both the hosts and the callers. Sometimes they get help from national media types who have 15 seconds to report something that requires two minutes to put into perspective.

Stand back and sometimes you can see these snippets of rumor and information go from a fire the size of a match, to that of a blazing inferno, complete with cover-ups, payoffs and black helicopters patrolling the area around Arrowhead Stadium.

For instance:

ITEM: CBS-TV cameras caught Priest Holmes munching on nachos in a private box during the game with the Chargers. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #1: Holmes no longer cares about the team or his teammates and has already packed it in for the 2004 season.

REALITY: Believe me, if Holmes was done for the season, he would be back home in San Antonio with his children and family; he wouldn’t be hanging at Arrowhead eating those nasty stadium nachos. That Holmes watched the Chargers game from a box and was not on the sidelines is nothing new. He did the same thing in the New England game, and in fact, ABC cameras showed him there. He wasn’t eating nachos, so apparently that’s what raises the ire of some fans. Holmes has always done this. Back in the 2003 pre-season when he was being handled gingerly after his hip injury and surgery, he would take his few plays in the first quarter and then disappear into the locker room. Again nothing was made of it then. Holmes has not quit on his team or this season.

ITEM: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days before their Monday night game with New England. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #2: The Chiefs locker room is a powder key ready to explode with teammates fighting each other.

REALITY: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days leading up to their Monday night game in Baltimore. This received little or no attention outside of Arrowhead Stadium. Inside the team, the activity was actually welcomed by some of the coaches and players. The Chiefs were 0-3 at the time and needed to raise their intensity level. It paid off with a nice victory over the Ravens, one of the few high marks of the season.

The fights that came down the week before the New England game involved defensive backs and wide receivers. The scout team DBs had been told by a member of the Chiefs offensive coaching staff to be physical with the wide receivers coming off the line of scrimmage because that’s what they would face against the Patriots. So the DBs did what they were told, several receivers objected and there was plenty of pushing and shoving.

Folks it happens all the time on the practice field. If it doesn’t, then the coaching staff better start worrying about the intensity level of the team. For this to be reported on a national TV pre-game show, as it was on the Fox network, is a joke.

ITEM: The Chiefs are, pick one: (1.) $6 million (2.) $8 million, or (3.) $10 million under the NFL salary cap this year. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #3: This is proof positive that all Lamar Hunt and Carl Peterson are worried about is the bottom line and they are hurting the football team by not using all of the cap money in 2004.

REALITY: As of early this week, the Chiefs were approximately $4.7 million under the league salary cap figure of $80.5 million. Last year at this time, they were $5.2 million under the cap. Funny, but nobody complained at this time last year when they were 10-1.

Their current state is not unusual; there are a lot of NFL teams in the same position. Will that $4.7 million go to waste? No. The Chiefs have already used up some of that total by extending the contract of center Casey Wiegmann. Some of that total will be eaten up by incentive bonuses that players earn in 2004. With what’s left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits.

The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, they’ve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number.

Sooner or later, Chiefs fans need to understand that when it comes to making the cap work, their team is one of the best in the league. Now, who that money is spent on, is certainly open for criticism and questioning.

ITEM: Former Chiefs linebacker Donnie Edwards ends former team’s hopes with late-game interception. URBAN CHIEFS LEGED #4: Edwards is playing for the Chargers because the Chiefs didn’t want to pay him big money.

REALITY: The only reason Edwards is not wearing a Chiefs uniform today is a guy named Greg Robinson. The fact is the Chiefs were quite confident they could sign Edwards to a new deal at a financial number that was good for him and the team. Edwards didn’t want to leave and just about everyone around Arrowhead did not want to lose him.

Robinson was the exception. He felt Edwards’ play did not conform to his defensive system and style during the 2001 season. The defensive coordinator did not want him, and against the better judgment of many people inside Arrowhead, Edwards was allowed to walk away. Funny thing, but the Chiefs spent more money in 2003 signing free agent LB Shawn Barber, than it would have taken to keep Edwards.

Now, Edwards is the defensive leader of the division leading Chargers, Barber is on IR for the rest of the year with a knee injury and Robinson is getting ready for a bowl game with the Texas Longhorns.

Source

Pants · 12-01-2004, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Well, the person is an improvement...for sure.

Keep dreaming, Gannon = bundle of sticks.

KCTitus · 12-01-2004, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Oh, I thought his point was that CP's semen is fun to swallow.

What you do in the privacy of your home is your business...

memyselfI · 12-01-2004, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

Gannon = bundle of sticks.

I'm sure you have personal experience to back that assertion up!

Pants · 12-01-2004, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

I'm sure you have personal experience to back that assertion up!

Funny, I insult some dude and you insult me. You ARE obsessed with that bundle of sticks... sucks for you.

memyselfI · 12-01-2004, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

Funny, I insult some dude and you insult me. You ARE obsessed with that bundle of sticks... sucks for you.

No, I'm just pointing out that if he is he's closeted and it would take someone personal experience to know...

so in outing him you've outed yourself. Good job!!!

**Mr. Kotter** · 12-01-2004, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Wow, methinks Gretz has been stalking the Planet. It's like he just went down the front page after the loss on Sunday, and addressed all the hot topics.

Here's the bit that burns me:
I don't give a yank about the "cash" they've spent. Every other team spends "cash" also, and still maximizes cap space to field the best team possible. The reason we weren't complaining when we were 10-1 last year is because we actually thought the team was good (psych!) and thus didn't see a need for action before the trade deadline. I also didn't complain last week when I got a good burger from McDonalds, but you can bet your ass I'll bitch today if they give me a lousy one. What have you done for me lately?

I really grow tired of the Chiefs organization doling out these types of excuses. When it's the same thing that the rest of the league has to deal with, I have no sympathy for the Chiefs having to deal with it. It reminds me of Vermeil bitching about roster limits, as if every other team doesn't have the same limits. Is it a FO mantra to bitch about things that are beyond their control, while the rest of the league has managed to accept and deal with it?

Damn; I witnessed your assailing the organization....just wanted you to know I finally did.

I see, you just believe in the "full frontal assault;" I'm more of an "ambush of sarcasm" kinda guy....

Pants · 12-01-2004, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

No, I'm just pointing out that if he is he's closeted and it would take someone personal experience to know...

so in outing him you've outed yourself. Good job!!!

Didn't realize I outed anybody, w/e you say. You have as much credibility here as JBret. No offense, Jbret.

memyselfI · 12-01-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

Didn't realize I outed anybody, w/e you say. You have as much credibility here as JBret. No offense, Jbret.

Just be careful with personal information like what you offered...some here like to use it to flog. Thus, announcing (albeit unintentionally) you are a bundle of sticks could have some bad repercussions.

Good luck.

Pants · 12-01-2004, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Just be careful with personal information like what you offered...some here like to use it to flog. Thus, announcing (albeit unintentionally) you are a bundle of sticks could have some bad repercussions.

Good luck.

, now I see why people dislike you here so much. I don't give a shit what your dumb ass thinks, as long as you don't put words in my mouth. Find me a quote where I announced I was gay or stfu.

Uncle_Ted · 12-01-2004, 08:37 AM

I don't miss Donnie Edwards. I'm surprised that GRob didn't want him ... I figured Edwards' tackling style (i.e. grab hold and get dragged 7 yds by the running back) would fit Robinson's read and react defensive schemes pretty well.

Re: Priest, I think it is a little odd that he doesn't roam the sidelines like a lot of injured players do. Then again, he busts his butt so much that I can't begrudge the guy relaxing a bit when he's injured.

BTW, I talked to Priest a little at the Ameristar Casino on Saturday night. Nice guy. Sharp dresser. Didn't seem to be limping at all (then again, I didn't limp when I had a broken fibula in college, so looks can be deceiving). Fans of Chappelle Show will appreciate the fact that when I saw Priest at the craps table, the first thing that popped into my mind was "Wow man, Priest Holmes has a big f***ing head!"

ChiefsCountry · 12-01-2004, 08:37 AM

Hmm, since Robinson is gone, he is the reason why we didnt resign Donnie Edwards. Looks like they are blaming it on the guy who isn't here.

memyselfI · 12-01-2004, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

, now I see why people dislike you here so much. I don't give a shit what your dumb ass thinks, as long as you don't put words in my mouth. Find me a quote where I announced I was gay or stfu.

Oh, so you don't LIKE people assuming YOU are gay...but it's ok for you to level the claim of 'bundle of sticks' about someone else. Nice!!!

OK, so you might not be the "g" word, just the "h" one.

Pants · 12-01-2004, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Oh, so you don't LIKE people assuming YOU are gay...but it's ok for you to level the claim of 'bundle of sticks' about someone else. Nice!!!

OK, so you might not be the "g" word, just the "h" one.

Like I said, it's OK with me if YOU assume I'm gay, I don't give a shit... you are a nobody. What I had a problem with, was your dumb ass putting words in my mouth. See the difference or are you too retarted?

Like I said, Gannon = bundle of sticks.

**Skip Towne** · 12-01-2004, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Ted

I don't miss Donnie Edwards. I'm surprised that GRob didn't want him ... I figured Edwards' tackling style (i.e. grab hold and get dragged 7 yds by the running back) would fit Robinson's read and react defensive schemes pretty well.

Re: Priest, I think it is a little odd that he doesn't roam the sidelines like a lot of injured players do. Then again, he busts his butt so much that I can't begrudge the guy relaxing a bit when he's injured.

BTW, I talked to Priest a little at the Ameristar Casino on Saturday night. Nice guy. Sharp dresser. Didn't seem to be limping at all (then again, I didn't limp when I had a broken fibula in college, so looks can be deceiving). Fans of Chappelle Show will appreciate the fact that when I saw Priest at the craps table, the first thing that popped into my mind was "Wow man, Priest Holmes has a big f***ing head!"

Some of the nicest guys I know have big heads.

memyselfI · 12-01-2004, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Like I said, it's OK with me if YOU assume I'm gay, I don't give a shit... you are a nobody. What I had a problem with, was your dumb ass putting words in my mouth. See the difference or are you too retarted?

Like I said, Gannon = bundle of sticks.

So, your problem is you don't like someone putting words in your mouth but have no problem asserting a married family man is putting other mens unit in his mouth or elsewhere.

Nice.

Oh, I see the difference. You are not gay just a hypocrite.

12-01-2004, 06:35 AM
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends Of course we all know that Gretz is just a shill for the organization but I found this column interesting. GRETZ: Urban Chiefs Legends Dec 01, 2004, 6:01:28 AM by Bob Gretz It’s only natural given the Chiefs position at the bottom of the AFC West standings that the blame game is being heavily played by the fans and media. Expectations were high; production has been low, so off with their heads! This always leads to a gestation process that creates great urban legends surrounding the Chiefs. Several of these have been bounced around lately by the tin-horn voices that control the sports talk airwaves, in this case both the hosts and the callers. Sometimes they get help from national media types who have 15 seconds to report something that requires two minutes to put into perspective. Stand back and sometimes you can see these snippets of rumor and information go from a fire the size of a match, to that of a blazing inferno, complete with cover-ups, payoffs and black helicopters patrolling the area around Arrowhead Stadium. For instance: ITEM: CBS-TV cameras caught Priest Holmes munching on nachos in a private box during the game with the Chargers. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #1: Holmes no longer cares about the team or his teammates and has already packed it in for the 2004 season. REALITY: Believe me, if Holmes was done for the season, he would be back home in San Antonio with his children and family; he wouldn’t be hanging at Arrowhead eating those nasty stadium nachos. That Holmes watched the Chargers game from a box and was not on the sidelines is nothing new. He did the same thing in the New England game, and in fact, ABC cameras showed him there. He wasn’t eating nachos, so apparently that’s what raises the ire of some fans. Holmes has always done this. Back in the 2003 pre-season when he was being handled gingerly after his hip injury and surgery, he would take his few plays in the first quarter and then disappear into the locker room. Again nothing was made of it then. Holmes has not quit on his team or this season. ITEM: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days before their Monday night game with New England. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #2: The Chiefs locker room is a powder key ready to explode with teammates fighting each other. REALITY: The Chiefs had several practice field fights in the days leading up to their Monday night game in Baltimore. This received little or no attention outside of Arrowhead Stadium. Inside the team, the activity was actually welcomed by some of the coaches and players. The Chiefs were 0-3 at the time and needed to raise their intensity level. It paid off with a nice victory over the Ravens, one of the few high marks of the season. The fights that came down the week before the New England game involved defensive backs and wide receivers. The scout team DBs had been told by a member of the Chiefs offensive coaching staff to be physical with the wide receivers coming off the line of scrimmage because that’s what they would face against the Patriots. So the DBs did what they were told, several receivers objected and there was plenty of pushing and shoving. Folks it happens all the time on the practice field. If it doesn’t, then the coaching staff better start worrying about the intensity level of the team. For this to be reported on a national TV pre-game show, as it was on the Fox network, is a joke. ITEM: The Chiefs are, pick one: (1.) $6 million (2.) $8 million, or (3.) $10 million under the NFL salary cap this year. URBAN CHIEFS LEGEND #3: This is proof positive that all Lamar Hunt and Carl Peterson are worried about is the bottom line and they are hurting the football team by not using all of the cap money in 2004. REALITY: As of early this week, the Chiefs were approximately $4.7 million under the league salary cap figure of $80.5 million. Last year at this time, they were $5.2 million under the cap. Funny, but nobody complained at this time last year when they were 10-1. Their current state is not unusual; there are a lot of NFL teams in the same position. Will that $4.7 million go to waste? No. The Chiefs have already used up some of that total by extending the contract of center Casey Wiegmann. Some of that total will be eaten up by incentive bonuses that players earn in 2004. With what’s left over, they will structure incentive bonuses for players that will not be earned this year. Those monies will then be carried over into the 2005 salary cap as credits. The fact is the Chiefs have spent more than the salary cap this year on personnel. When you factor in signing bonuses and so forth, they’ve spent $86 million on players. When you are talking about cash and cap, the Chiefs are over the number. Sooner or later, Chiefs fans need to understand that when it comes to making the cap work, their team is one of the best in the league. Now, who that money is spent on, is certainly open for criticism and questioning. ITEM: Former Chiefs linebacker Donnie Edwards ends former team’s hopes with late-game interception. URBAN CHIEFS LEGED #4: Edwards is playing for the Chargers because the Chiefs didn’t want to pay him big money. REALITY: The only reason Edwards is not wearing a Chiefs uniform today is a guy named Greg Robinson. The fact is the Chiefs were quite confident they could sign Edwards to a new deal at a financial number that was good for him and the team. Edwards didn’t want to leave and just about everyone around Arrowhead did not want to lose him. Robinson was the exception. He felt Edwards’ play did not conform to his defensive system and style during the 2001 season. The defensive coordinator did not want him, and against the better judgment of many people inside Arrowhead, Edwards was allowed to walk away. Funny thing, but the Chiefs spent more money in 2003 signing free agent LB Shawn Barber, than it would have taken to keep Edwards. Now, Edwards is the defensive leader of the division leading Chargers, Barber is on IR for the rest of the year with a knee injury and Robinson is getting ready for a bowl game with the Texas Longhorns. Source
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Uncle_Ted We're the band! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chicago Casino cash: $10008915	I don't miss Donnie Edwards. I'm surprised that GRob didn't want him ... I figured Edwards' tackling style (i.e. grab hold and get dragged 7 yds by the running back) would fit Robinson's read and react defensive schemes pretty well. Re: Priest, I think it is a little odd that he doesn't roam the sidelines like a lot of injured players do. Then again, he busts his butt so much that I can't begrudge the guy relaxing a bit when he's injured. BTW, I talked to Priest a little at the Ameristar Casino on Saturday night. Nice guy. Sharp dresser. Didn't seem to be limping at all (then again, I didn't limp when I had a broken fibula in college, so looks can be deceiving). Fans of Chappelle Show will appreciate the fact that when I saw Priest at the craps table, the first thing that popped into my mind was "Wow man, Priest Holmes has a big f***ing head!"
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12-01-2004, 08:37 AM	#26
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2078752	Hmm, since Robinson is gone, he is the reason why we didnt resign Donnie Edwards. Looks like they are blaming it on the guy who isn't here.
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