Petro a& Lenny "Don't blame the offense"

[petegz28]

On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss.

Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games".

Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead.

Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off.


Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Hootie

clearly no one has watched a Colts game this year...CoMo just claimed Harrison is still an elite receiver...I can't count on 25 fingers how many times Harrison was wide open for a TD pass this year and he couldn't catch up to a Manning pass...or they were just slightly off...you're telling me this is Manning over Harrison? No way...how about the pass a few weeks ago where Harrison was running for a TD, 10 yards in front of everyone...and was chased down at the 2 by a strong safety?

The dude is slower than hell now and is nothing but another big name with little game...he is going to be cut this offseason.

Watching the Colts...wow. If you think Cassell and the 10-5 Patriots is some sort of a story the fact the Colts are 11-4 with this roster and the same philosophy as Herm ****ing Edwards you'd really appreciate what Peyton has done this year...the Colts are easily one of the least talented teams that will be in the playoffs except for one thing...Peyton Manning.

The Colts defense is HORRENDOUS.

You do know that IND defense is ranked 11th in the NFL right? Not exactly HORRENDOUS, infact we'd all be blowin loads everywhere if the Chiefs defense were ever ranked that high.

[Hoover]

We can bitch about the D all day, I agree they are bad. But its also fair to question why in the hell did we run the ball 12 times with LJ yesterday when its 10 degrees? Our D was on the field way too much because Herm did his best DV impresination.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Hootie

how is he one of the better ones out there? Because his name is Marvin Harrison?

He's probably better than anyone the Chiefs have

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

You do know that IND defense is ranked 11th in the NFL right? Not exactly HORRENDOUS, infact we'd all be blowin loads everywhere if the Chiefs defense were ever ranked that high.

in yards?! Wanna know why...and this will come to a big surprise to you since you don't watch the games...

THE ENTIRE OBJECTIVE OF THE COLTS OPPONENT IS TO RUN THE BALL AND KEEP PEYTON MANNING OFF THE FIELD.

The Colts have the least amount of offensive drives in the NFL because their defense can't get off the field...a higher percent of run plays equals less drives, equals less possessions, equals less points, equals less yards...

The total yards defensive rank is the biggest joke stat in the NFL. The Colts are as bad on 3rd and long as the Chiefs...opposing teams run the ball down the Colts throw to keep Peyton sidelined...when the Packers crushed the Colts the Colts had the ball 4 minutes in the entire first half.

So...watch a game and quit trying to cherry pick stats moron.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Not only has the game passed Gunther by, offenses around the league have effectively learned to counter the en vogue Cover 2. And, it doesn't help the Chiefs any by starting a number of guys who wouldn't even be on other NFL rosters.

You mean guys like Kawika Mitchell, or Scott Fujita, or Benny Sapp...or even Ryan Sims, who is playing better in Tampa than he did here...

...I honestly don't think it's a talent issue, it's a coaching and a culture issue...hopefully Clark will change all that...

[Mecca]

Cherry pick stats that sounds familiar....

Also for the record if you really think Palmer is as immobile as Bledsoe that's sad, he's a pocket QB but he's not a statue.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Hoover

We can bitch about the D all day, I agree they are bad. But its also fair to question why in the hell did we run the ball 12 times with LJ yesterday when its 10 degrees? Our D was on the field way too much because Herm did his best DV impresination.

It's like when we used to run the ball 40 times...people asked why weren't we passing the ball even when it was working.

Obviously we were scoring at will to start the game and we stuck to our gameplan...which was to pass the ball.

Obviously, if we keep Thigpen and the spread...we do need to run some plays from behind center because it's a much more conventional way to run the ball.

This is stuff that can be worked on in training camp and in the offseason...our players are learning this stuff on the fly...I don't think a lot of the 'omg this offense can never work' posters understand this.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He's 28 and he's way more naturally gifted than Green ever was.

By your own standards, in two years he will be old. But, to give him credit, he lit the Chiefs up when he returned from the injury, correct?

Wasn't that the game, Herm was bitching afterwards, about DVs Chiefs running it up, the year before on Cincinatti? Then they punished Herm's Chiefs as revenge.

I was never overly impressed with Green, but he did a good job with the tools he had. Green was a system QB IMO. I thought he was an excellent leader though, excellent.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

You mean guys like Kawika Mitchell, or Scott Fujita, or Benny Sapp...or even Ryan Sims, who is playing better in Tampa than he did here...

...I honestly don't think it's a talent issue, it's a coaching and a culture issue...hopefully Clark will change all that...

That's a fair point, but most or all of those players are just role players on their new teams, and aren't expected to be superstars the way they were here.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

By your own standards, in two years he will be old. But, to give him credit, he lit the Chiefs up when he returned from the injury, correct?

Wasn't that the game, Herm was bitching afterwards, about DVs Chiefs running it up, the year before on Cincinatti? Then they punished Herm's Chiefs as revenge.

I was never overly impressed with Green, but he did a good job with the tools he had. Green was a system QB IMO. I thought he was an excellent leader though, excellent.

the Bengals beat the Chiefs when Green got Geathered...but Jared Allen made Carson Palmer his bitch and LJ ran all over the Bengals last year when we beat them.

[Hootie]

Kawika has a knack for big plays...he made a big time INT against Denver yesterday.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Hootie

in yards?! Wanna know why...and this will come to a big surprise to you since you don't watch the games...

THE ENTIRE OBJECTIVE OF THE COLTS OPPONENT IS TO RUN THE BALL AND KEEP PEYTON MANNING OFF THE FIELD.

The Colts have the least amount of offensive drives in the NFL because their defense can't get off the field...a higher percent of run plays equals less drives, equals less possessions, equals less points, equals less yards...

The total yards defensive rank is the biggest joke stat in the NFL. The Colts are as bad on 3rd and long as the Chiefs...opposing teams run the ball down the Colts throw to keep Peyton sidelined...when the Packers crushed the Colts the Colts had the ball 4 minutes in the entire first half.

So...watch a game and quit trying to cherry pick stats moron.

Ah, so now Peyton helps the defense. God I love where this is going.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

By your own standards, in two years he will be old. But, to give him credit, he lit the Chiefs up when he returned from the injury, correct?

Wasn't that the game, Herm was bitching afterwards, about DVs Chiefs running it up, the year before on Cincinatti? Then they punished Herm's Chiefs as revenge.

I was never overly impressed with Green, but he did a good job with the tools he had. Green was a system QB IMO. I thought he was an excellent leader though, excellent.

NO NO, QB's play at a high level for a longer period of time, QB's and OT's can be signed to longer contracts because they will generally be productive into their 30's.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Ah, so now Peyton helps the defense. God I love where this is going.

where the **** did I say that?

I said Peyton wins despite having an awful defense...the fact the Chiefs rely on Thigpen to do the same thing is ridiculous.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

You do know that IND defense is ranked 11th in the NFL right? Not exactly HORRENDOUS, infact we'd all be blowin loads everywhere if the Chiefs defense were ever ranked that high.

They're ranked 11th. Period. Teams attack the Chiefs the same way, and they're 32nd. Their D is not Horrendous. They just aren't that great.

And I would take Palmer in a milli-second. You people who think he washed up are in for a big surprise. He's a top 5 QB without a doubt, and probably top 3 in terms of talent.