Petro a& Lenny "Don't blame the offense"

[petegz28]

On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss.

Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games".

Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead.

Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off.


Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Hootie

If I had the choice between Carson Palmer and drafting a QB with say...the 25th pick in the draft I'd immediately take the 25th pick without thinking twice.

Every single QB that is successful in today's game and is a 'franchise' QB can move in the pocket...Palmer can't. He's the next Drew Bledsoe...Bledsoe was awesome before the hybrid DE's became a fixture on NFL defenses...then he became a downright liability...look at what Tony Romo has done for that team...and what can he do? Make plays with his feet.

I wouldn't use Tony Romo has any kind of example he chokes more than any QB playing today

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

They're ranked 11th. Period. Teams attack the Chiefs the same way, and they're 32nd. Their D is not Horrendous. They just aren't that great.

And I would take Palmer in a milli-second. You people who think he washed up are in for a big surprise. He's a top 5 QB without a doubt, and probably top 3 in terms of talent.

And teams aren't afraid of Tyler Thigpen so they don't make it a point to go on 15 play, 10 minute drives like the opposition does against the Colts.

Watch the Colts defense for a game...it's like watching the Chiefs...and since these are the two teams I watch I'm always disgusted by defense at the end of the day on Sunday.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I wouldn't use Tony Romo has any kind of example he chokes more than any QB playing today

That's a joke.

He botched a field goal snap two years ago...why the hell is your starting QB your placeholder?

and last year, against the Giants, he played a HELL of a game in the playoffs.

He was literally the only Cowboy to show up that game...and like I said earlier...had Crayton not dropped the sure fire dagger when Romo made a remarkable throw and scramble the Cowboys would have lost to the Pats and the Pats would have been 19-0 last year.

[Hootie]

it's the dumbshits that only go by name recognition and what the media makes you believe that are in this thread...

I know, Carson Palmer was a former #1 pick...but so was David Carr.

Palmer is flat out average...and he'll be a backup QB in the next 2 or 3 years. His breed of QB is done. You have to be at least somewhat mobile with the way freakish athletes are being used on defense today.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

They're ranked 11th. Period. Teams attack the Chiefs the same way, and they're 32nd. Their D is not Horrendous. They just aren't that great.

And I would take Palmer in a milli-second. You people who think he washed up are in for a big surprise. He's a top 5 QB without a doubt, and probably top 3 in terms of talent.

please show me ANYTHING he has ever done to warrant such high praise.


LETS PUT IT THIS WAY we draft a qb #3 5 years in he has the exact same stats and career palmer has. he's not from usc. do you feel as though we did good with our pick?

[Hootie]

7-9, 8-8, 11-5, 8-8, 8-8, 0 and whatever he was this year before he got hurt...

Yeah, top 3 QB right there!

Franchise QB's win football games. Carson Palmer is not one of those.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Hootie

it's the dumbshits that only go by name recognition and what the media makes you believe that are in this thread...

I know, Carson Palmer was a former #1 pick...but so was David Carr.

Palmer is flat out average...and he'll be a backup QB in the next 2 or 3 years. His breed of QB is done. You have to be at least somewhat mobile with the way freakish athletes are being used on defense today.

Palmer can maneuver in the pocket. You're wrong about his future.

Disclaimer: I am a fan with an opinion. Just like everyone else here.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Hootie

7-9, 8-8, 11-5, 8-8, 8-8, 0 and whatever he was this year before he got hurt...

Yeah, top 3 QB right there!

Franchise QB's win football games. Carson Palmer is not one of those.

He plays for the Bungles. Nuff said.

[Mecca]

I'm pretty sure most people would be happy with a QB that hits about 64% has 4000 yards and a 28-13 TD/INT ratio.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Palmer can maneuver in the pocket. You're wrong about his future.

Disclaimer: I am a fan with an opinion. Just like everyone else here.

the dude has no pocket awareness whatsoever...and he fumbles like Dave Krieg.

and he's injury prone.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm pretty sure most people would be happy with a QB that hits about 64% has 4000 yards and a 28-13 TD/INT ratio.

until you look at those 15 fumbles...and then the 20 picks the next year.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Hootie

the dude has no pocket awareness whatsoever...and he fumbles like Dave Krieg.

and he's injury prone.

LOL...like I said better take Moon out of the hall then cause he fumbled alot. And this is still the first year he's actually missed games due to injury, yea heavily injury prone.

Palmer is also not nearly as immobile as you make him out to be...

[Mecca]

Look Hootie if you are going to make that argument than every QB that has suited up for the Chiefs since 2000 sucks ass because they couldn't win games with a bad defense.

[Cornstock]

This Cover 2 is really starting to piss me off. On 3rd and 10 you know exactly what the opposing offense is going to do: either throw a lob right down the middle of the field over the MLB's head and between the 2 safteys (usually made all the easier because Gunther will bring a SS on 3rd down and the FS will be up in the box, leaving him a lot of ground to cover to be in position), or throw a 10 and out/curl just outside the OLB and inside the corner.

Just go back and watch and particular 3rd down play, i think you'll agree with me.

[Hootie]

On a 3rd-and-13 play from the Dallas 17 late in the third quarter, Crayton bobbled a pass from quarterback Tony Romo on a crossing pattern and dropped it.

If he had caught the pass, Crayton may have turned the play into a long gain - perhaps even a game-clinching touchdown.

Instead, the Cowboys were forced to punt and seven plays later the Giants scored to take the lead for good, 21-17.

In total, the wide receiver, who had stirred up a war of words with the Giants leading up to the game, finished with a pair of huge drops and muffed a punt.

People blame Tony Romo for the loss last season but that's just plain absurd. On that 3rd and 13 play, he amazingly escaped about 19 blitzers and made one of the greatest improvisational plays I've ever seen to a wide open Crayton who had nothing but green grass in front of him and the dude dropped it.