2013 MLB Draft - Tonight at 7

[MIAdragon]

For the baseball haters, stick it up your arse.

1. Houston Astros
2. Chicago Cubs
3. Colorado Rockies
4. Minnesota Twins
5. Cleveland Indians
6. Miami Marlins
7. Boston Red Sox
8. Kansas City Royals
9. Pittsburgh Pirates (M. Appel - unsigned)
10. Toronto Blue Jays
11. New York Mets
12. Seattle Mariners
13. San Diego Padres
14. Pittsburgh Pirates
15. Arizona Diamondbacks
16. Philadelphia Phillies
17. Chicago White Sox
18. Los Angeles Dodgers
19. St. Louis Cardinals
20. Detroit Tigers
21. Tampa Bay Rays
22. Baltimore Orioles
23. Texas Rangers
24. Oakland Athletics
25. San Francisco Giants
26. New York Yankees
27. Cincinnati Reds
28. St. Louis Cardinals (K. Lohse)1
29. Tampa Bay Rays (B.J. Upton)2
30. Texas Rangers (J. Hamilton)3
31. Atlanta Braves (M. Bourn)4
32. New York Yankees (N. Swisher)5
33. New York Yankees (R. Soriano)6

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Whether or not you agree with the strategy, you have to understand it. This isn't the NFL.

Dozier is one of the few 2nd-round talents willing to sign for way under slot in the 1st round. There are a lot of high schoolers and juniors out there who currently project out as a 3rd rounder, but will not sign for the 3rd or 4th round slot bonus, and will go to school to try to raise their draft stock. If you hypothetically believe that there's no incredible "wow" talent available at #8, and you'd rather draft depth over slightly higher quality, then this is the way to go.

There are a lot of players who most teams will not be able to draft today, but that we can. We are almost guaranteed to sign some guy in the 3rd and/or 4th round way over-slot who was originally planning on going to school next year.

Dead on.

John Denney and Kyle Serrano are guys to watch, I think (though Serrano's dad is the coach at Tennessee, where he's committed, so that's PROBABLY almost impossible).

I need to find some info on slot values and see what they're looking at.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If Manaea had NOT fallen to KC at No. 34, this would have been an epic fail. But since the plan worked, I'll give a smidge of credit to Moore for correctly reading the tea leaves on this one.

There might have been another guy who the Yankees took ahead of us that also wanted money, but yeah if Manaea would have been taken before us too, then we would have had way too much money available, and would not have been able to efficiently use it. As it is, we probably have at least a half mill which should be enough over-slot to get at least one guy to decide not to go to school.

[cookster50]

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;9735577] an athletic RH power bat (hardest thing to find is RH power) who likely plays 2B or 3B but can also project to RF, [\QUOTE]

No, no, no, no no no no no no no no no no no. He will not play 2B, way too big.

[duncan_idaho]

[QUOTE=cookster50;9735678]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

an athletic RH power bat (hardest thing to find is RH power) who likely plays 2B or 3B but can also project to RF, [\QUOTE]

No, no, no, no no no no no no no no no no no. He will not play 2B, way too big.

Not a lock to play 2B - 3B is probably more likely - but he's athletic enough to at least create a lot of speculation about trying him at 2B.

Generally, that size would preclude him from playing 2B, but it will be interesting to explore. I've seen at least a few scouts on Dozier who think it is worth trying out.

[KCUnited]

Is taking a guy a round too early, a high upside pitcher who won't see the field until February, and a Juco pitcher seem like the moves of a GM who's fearing for his job?

I heard Petro bring this up earlier.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Is taking a guy a round too early, a high upside pitcher who won't see the field until February, and a Juco pitcher seem like the moves of a GM who's fearing for his job?

I heard Petro bring this up earlier.

I don't know if they were in a position to draft ANYONE who might help save Dayton's job in the next 3-12 months. Those guys usually are few and far between.

The major league roster, not the current farm system, is going to determine Dayton's fate, probably by draft day 2014, it not sooner. And outside of Ventura and Duffy, there's really no prospect in the minors right now who can help them win games at the ML level by then (and what they really need is bats anyway).

Dayton might as well have drafted like he always planned to. His immediate and short-term concern should be the ML club.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I don't know if they were in a position to draft ANYONE who might help save Dayton's job in the next 3-12 months. Those guys usually are few and far between.

The major league roster, not the current farm system, is going to determine Dayton's fate, probably by draft day 2014, it not sooner. And outside of Ventura and Duffy, there's really no prospect in the minors right now who can help them win games at the ML level by then (and what they really need is bats anyway).

Dayton might as well have drafted like he always planned to. His immediate and short-term concern should be the ML club.

Pretty much this. If his fate depends on 2013 and/or 2014, maybe he could find help if we had a higher draft pick, but at #8, there's no one available who would likely help the club next season. So, he may as well presume he'll keep his job and do whatever he thinks is best.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Is taking a guy a round too early, a high upside pitcher who won't see the field until February, and a Juco pitcher seem like the moves of a GM who's fearing for his job?

I heard Petro bring this up earlier.

I don't think so. You would have seen fast-track picks if Moore was worried about his job.

None of these really fit (not sure how severe Manaea's injury is... worst case scenario would seem to be surgery to repair the tear, which sidelines him the rest of this season).

Reed is definitely a developmental guy.

Dozier... probably starts at A or A+. Unless he moves much faster than anyone thinks, he's probably a 2015-type arrival.

This draft reminds me a lot so far of the 2009 draft. Coming on the heels of a few HS-heavy drafts, the Royals took a lot of college guys to create a compete "wave" of talent.

It fits with Dayton Moore's process/plan, in that the next wave of talent should start arriving 3-5 years after the first wave (right at the point where you're letting some guys walk in FA).

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I don't know if they were in a position to draft ANYONE who might help save Dayton's job in the next 3-12 months. Those guys usually are few and far between.

The major league roster, not the current farm system, is going to determine Dayton's fate, probably by draft day 2014, it not sooner. And outside of Ventura and Duffy, there's really no prospect in the minors right now who can help them win games at the ML level by then (and what they really need is bats anyway).

Dayton might as well have drafted like he always planned to. His immediate and short-term concern should be the ML club.

Yeah, I agree. I imagine a lot of their scouting was done prior to the curtain on this current shit show being raised.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

None of these really fit (not sure how severe Manaea's injury is... worst case scenario would seem to be surgery to repair the tear, which sidelines him the rest of this season).

Petro said he's spoken to people within the Royals that said Manaea would need surgery as early as August, latest in September and that they didn't plan to put him on a field until Spring Training.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Petro said he's spoken to people within the Royals that said Manaea would need surgery as early as August, latest in September and that they didn't plan to put him on a field until Spring Training.

Interesting. Not listening to Soren this morning, but that makes sense.

He seems to have a labrum issue that can be treated - short-term, at least - with anti-inflammatories and some pain meds. If it doesn't improve on its own, minor arthroscopic surgery is the fix.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Interesting. Not listening to Soren this morning, but that makes sense.

He seems to have a labrum issue that can be treated - short-term, at least - with anti-inflammatories and some pain meds. If it doesn't improve on its own, minor arthroscopic surgery is the fix.

He said the Royals compared to Gordon's condition a few years ago and confirmed it was genetic and not a precursor to something bigger like bone spurs in an elbow.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

He said the Royals compared to Gordon's condition a few years ago and confirmed it was genetic and not a precursor to something bigger like bone spurs in an elbow.

That tracks with what Boras has been saying.

It's a risky pick - the mechanics might lead to other problems down the road, even if the hip thing is not related - but it has huge upside.

Best case: Manaea gets healthy, and his size, velocity, command and solid secondary offerings come together to make him a frontline starter.

Worse case: Mechanics remain an issue, injuries become an issue, money is wasted as he busts.

I will say... that's the type of risk a team like KC SHOULD take in the draft. Many teams saw the hip injury and the declined velocity/stuff and said "See, I knew his funky delivery would cause injuries, and look how his stuff drops when hurt." and dropped him substantially.

If the Royals are right - and the injury thing is not a long-term issue, and he regains the form that dominated the Cape League at a nearly unheard-of level - this is a risk that pays off, big-time.

[alnorth]

Royals took a high school RHP in the 3rd round.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Royals took a high school RHP in the 3rd round.

Carter Hope - Position INF, RHP Ht/Wt 6'3"/195

https://twitter.com/CarterHope22

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/Nuw...arter-hope.htm