Who would Scott Pioli draft at #1?

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by BossChief

What should have happened if Pioli had a clue in his head was for us to sign Mike Sherman as the OC and to trade up for Tannehill and signed Orton.

Cassel should have been traded or cut prior to this season.

Orton
Tannehill
Stanzi

Sherman

This team would be energized right now...big time.

We would be 4-5 at best, instead of 1-8.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

We would be 4-5 at best, instead of 1-8.

That would probably put us at 6-10 maybe 8-8 at best?

With a potential franchise QB, that opens up a lot of things in the draft if they finished out at 6-10. Opens a potential trade down, maybe twice that nets us a 1, 2 more 2nds, 2 more 3rds or more. Add that to the additional compensatory picks the Chiefs will get, you could trade back up and grab whatever player you wanted or fill your roster with both BPA in the 1st two rounds and then draft for need in the 3rd and later if you wanted to.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

We would be 4-5 at best, instead of 1-8.

Really?

In 2011, for only 3 games with Kyle Orton as the starter we beat 2 playoff teams and should have won all three games.

I dont think we would have been blown out of any of our games thus far and would be anywhere from 4-5 to 7-2.

Not only that, we would have a young franchise quarterback developing and a very bright future.

Were you insinuating that would only be marginally a better situation?

Oh well, in th grand scheme of things...if we end up drafting Geno Smith we are better off that way.

Geno Smith + Dontari Poe > Ryan Tannehill and Teo.

I think Teo is another Kuechly or Aaron Curry.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Really?

In 2011, for only 3 games with Kyle Orton as the starter we beat 2 playoff teams and should have won all three games.

I dont think we would have been blown out of any of our games thus far and would be anywhere from 4-5 to 7-2.

Not only that, we would have a young franchise quarterback developing and a very bright future.

Were you insinuating that would only be marginally a better situation?

Oh well, in th grand scheme of things...if we end up drafting Geno Smith we are better off that way.

Geno Smith + Dontari Poe > Ryan Tannehill and Teo.

I think Teo is another Kuechly or Aaron Curry.

We would be in a much better situation than we are now because the only way we can go is up. I just don't think the Sherman-led dolphins offense (with tannehill) is anything special, and Orton wouldn't make up for the fact that this team has way too many holes. Anything is an upgrade over what we have as our OC/QB combo now, but I still think this team has too many holes to be competitive.

But i do agree that Geno would lead to a brighter future if his ability translates well to the pro game.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Really?

In 2011, for only 3 games with Kyle Orton as the starter we beat 2 playoff teams and should have won all three games.

I dont think we would have been blown out of any of our games thus far and would be anywhere from 4-5 to 7-2.

Not only that, we would have a young franchise quarterback developing and a very bright future.

Were you insinuating that would only be marginally a better situation?

Oh well, in th grand scheme of things...if we end up drafting Geno Smith we are better off that way.

Geno Smith + Dontari Poe > Ryan Tannehill and Teo.

I think Teo is another Kuechly or Aaron Curry.

Really? You give Orton credit for those wins? It was the defense that allowed us to win. Orton did not do any better than Cassel when it came to putting points on the board and as each week went on we scored progressively less. To give Orton any credit for our defense shutting down the GB offense or that 7-3 shootout against a Tebow led Broncos is the height of foolishness. Orton was good at moving the ball, that is it. He could not punch it in when it mattered, so no we would not be any better off with him at QB.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Really? You give Orton credit for those wins? It was the defense that allowed us to win. Orton did not do any better than Cassel when it came to putting points on the board and as each week went on we scored progressively less. To give Orton any credit for our defense shutting down the GB offense or that 7-3 shootout against a Tebow led Broncos is the height of foolishness. Orton was good at moving the ball, that is it. He could not punch it in when it mattered, so no we would not be any better off with him at QB.

I don't know if you realize this but if you constantly leave your defense in bad situations via turnovers and leave them on the field the whole game because of your offensive ineptitude and inability to sustain drives (i.e. not going 3&out every drive ala Cassel) they will typically struggle.

By not leaving our defense on the field the whole ****ing game, they played better. Orton isn't the answer but he showed what even an average QB could do for this team.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I don't know if you realize this but if you constantly leave your defense in bad situations via turnovers and leave them on the field the whole game because of your offensive ineptitude and inability to sustain drives (i.e. not going 3&out every drive ala Cassel) they will typically struggle.

By not leaving our defense on the field the whole ****ing game, they played better. Orton isn't the answer but he showed what even an average QB could do for this team.

I knew someone would post truth and that I didnt need to.

there is a clear reason that the team played with more energy with Orton at QB and anyone that has played the game at a high, organized level knows that when you have a QB, you give max effort because you know that you dont want to be the reason the team lost.

With a guy like Cassel, you don't have much hope of actually winning games and that takes away your field energy.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I don't know if you realize this but if you constantly leave your defense in bad situations via turnovers and leave them on the field the whole game because of your offensive ineptitude and inability to sustain drives (i.e. not going 3&out every drive ala Cassel) they will typically struggle.

By not leaving our defense on the field the whole ****ing game, they played better. Orton isn't the answer but he showed what even an average QB could do for this team.

Fair enough although I look forward to the day when the legend of Orton the mediocre QB dies in KC.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Fair enough although I look forward to the day when the legend of Orton the mediocre QB dies in KC.

I think most reasonable people know he is average and could have been a solid stop-gap at best.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Fair enough although I look forward to the day when the legend of Orton the mediocre QB dies in KC.

I dont think anyone here wanted to sign Orton as the end all be all.

But, he would have been an optimum backup and a damn good stop gap.

With Orton, the receiving corps could be properly evaluated as could the other members of the team and the teams talent wouldnt be losing confidence like this year has done.

Cassel has a way of sucking not only on the field, but sucking the energy of his teammates.

Its beyond laughable that the guy was championed as some kind of great leader that had great intangibles.

the guy tries to absorb undue praise and deflects criticism...when a real leader deflects praise to his teammates and accepts the blame for its failures.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

We would be 4-5 at best, instead of 1-8.

Wasn't hard to see what the appropriate course of action was. Cassel desperately needed to compete for his job after last year. He had been an utter dogshit QB dating back to 2010 vs Oakland.

Yet Pioli treated him like he was a top 10 QB.

And now he should lose his job over it.

I honestly believe he's not very smart at all.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Wasn't hard to see what the appropriate course of action was. Cassel desperately needed to compete for his job after last year. He had been an utter dogshit QB dating back to 2010 vs Oakland.

Yet Pioli treated him like he was a top 10 QB.

And now he should lose his job over it.

I honestly believe he's not very smart at all.

Do you listen to Colin Cowherd?

He has mentioned Pioli more than a time or two over the last couple weeks and is always clowning his football acumen.

The last one that immediately comes to mind was when he was talking with someone (I think it was Tedy Bruschi if you want to look up the show or something for a sound bite) and they were talking about Jerry Jones and how little he knows about the intricacies of the game. they sighted a time when Jerry Jones was talking about what had happened to Romo at the end of a game and Jerry said something very "pre school NFL" quality like "They ran a zone type of defense" showing that he didnt even know that the team had run a combo defense and that usually confuses Romo.

Colin immediately started talking about times when he had talked to Scott Pioli and how he got that same feeling from him. That he didnt really know the game at this level very well. He was actually laughing about it.

You could hear Bruschi chuckle, but not comment...we all know why.

I feel bamboozled and should have seen the signs that were all there going back to Piolis first day on the job.

Props go to guys like Talking can, Dane,Hamas and Deez for identifying these things immediately and sticking with their guns.

Those are some of the best posters this site has to offer IMO....even though I disagree with some of them from time to time.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I feel bamboozled and should have seen the signs that were all there going back to Piolis first day on the job.

Props go to guys like Talking can, Dane,Hamas and Deez for identifying these things immediately and sticking with their guns.

Those are some of the best posters this site has to offer IMO....even though I disagree with some of them from time to time.

I loved the hire.

Then the Cassel trade happened. I started to get worried. Then the 2009 draft happened

I knew deep down as soon as that happened that we were screwed, but I foolishly kept buying more and more Pioli stock. I said multiple times in early 2009 that I felt sorry for the dumbass team who would wind up trading for Matt Cassel. I knew Jackson was shit. I listened to the endless empty sophistry and bullshit that came from his mouth. But I still believed in him as some football wizard.

It actually took the playoff loss to the Ravens for me to realize that Scott Pioli was a braindead moron who got to the top of the NFL by keeping his nose firmly attached to Bill Parcells' rectum. But by then it was too late.

Absolutely kudos should go to those posters who not only saw this shit stain for what he was at the beginning but also were able to admit to themselves that Pioli was a giant walking vomit stain of a mistake.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by SNR

I loved the hire.

Then the Cassel trade happened. I started to get worried. Then the 2009 draft happened

I knew deep down as soon as that happened that we were screwed, but I foolishly kept buying more and more Pioli stock. I said multiple times in early 2009 that I felt sorry for the dumbass team who would wind up trading for Matt Cassel. I knew Jackson was shit. I listened to the endless empty sophistry and bullshit that came from his mouth. But I still believed in him as some football wizard.

It actually took the playoff loss to the Ravens for me to realize that Scott Pioli was a braindead moron who got to the top of the NFL by keeping his nose firmly attached to Bill Parcells' rectum. But by then it was too late.

Absolutely kudos should go to those posters who not only saw this shit stain for what he was at the beginning but also were able to admit to themselves that Pioli was a giant walking vomit stain of a mistake.

I still love his 2010 and 2011 drafts...the last two free agency classes were above average.

I also loved the Todd Haley hire and still think he will be an exceptional coach.

That said, EVERYTHING ELSE was a complete and utter failure with his crowning jewel being his double and tripling down on Matt Cassel.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I still love his 2010 and 2011 drafts...

Yeah, you love McCluster despite the fact that he is the most drop-prone wide receiver in the NFL basically.

Arenas finally had a good game so you can trumpet that for a week until Andrew Hawkins is toasting his short, slow ass.