If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

who was he supposed to be completing them to? They CRUSHED crabtree, he couldnt get open, they doubled Vernon Davis all game. Ginn was out, Edwards h ad been cut, Josh morgan got hurt in week 8. Who was he supposed to throw to? Kyle Williams have 3 fumbles in that game. Swain, and hastings were his other options. WHO, WAS HE SUPPOSED TO THROW TO. The Giants dropped 7 into coverage every play. They dismantled every single team they played in the playoffs, including Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers, in much better playing conditions, and they held the falcons offense scoreless. With all of their weapons. I have no problems giving alex smith part of the blame for that loss. Fine, 1/13, i get it. He didnt turn the ball over, and he had the 49ers in position to win the game. Not much more you could of asked from him.....

the irony of this sentiment. He didnt take ANY UNNECESSARY SACKS, just threw the ball away,a nd people still crush him for it. Cute.

Franchise quarterbacks make plays. Alex Smith isn't a franchise quarterback you ****ing Alex Smith **** licker.

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I agree with you 100%. Harbaugh went to MartyBall and that's a system Alex can work in. It sent Steve Bono to a probowl. I just don't see the Andy Reid going full Marty and I don't think our defense is anywhere near the 49er defense. Too many questions up front.

Harbaugh never went to Marty Ball. He has been running the same offense as he always has. He did not change a thing, still the same Stanford offense he has always been doing that he has innovated from Bo Schembechler. Hec everyone keeps saying they run the read option now, its just not true. Yes they have read option wrinkles, but it will always be a power based offense centered around the running game. He had adrew luck only throwing 25 times a game as well. Maybe thats Alex's best offense, i dont know. If he is asked to throw it 35 times, i think he can. The chiefs have to good of a running game to have a pass first offense though

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ayleswbj

Harbaugh never went to Marty Ball. He has been running the same offense as he always has. He did not change a thing, still the same Stanford offense he has always been doing that he has innovated from Bo Schembechler. Hec everyone keeps saying they run the read option now, its just not true. Yes they have read option wrinkles, but it will always be a power based offense centered around the running game. He had adrew luck only throwing 25 times a game as well. Maybe thats Alex's best offense, i dont know. If he is asked to throw it 35 times, i think he can. The chiefs have to good of a running game to have a pass first offense though

Yes. I meant when Harbaugh came in that's what they ran as opposed to previous coaches which in turn resulted in fewer attempts.

History says if he is asked to throw 35 times a game. It's going to fail. The question is will Reid play to the teams strengths and avoid its weakness or will he run his same pass happy system.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Trent Green's forte was short to intermediate passing also. He was no great shakes at the long ball.

And Green threw a shit ton more intermediate balls than Alex Smith did. Even Cassel did. Alex Smith was the most risk averse starter in the league the past 2 years.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by -King-

Alex Smith was the most risk averse starter in the league the past 2 years.

This...

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ayleswbj

If all the qbs can be successfull throwing 20-23 times a game then why isnt everyone doin it?

Because they don't have an defense and running game to win doing that like Alice had? The Chiefs tried that this year with no defense and what happened? They went 2-14. It worked for Marty when he could run the ball and take the ball away. But you have to have all the other pieces in place to dink and dunk 20 times a game.

Allowing 17 pts/game gives you more options on offense than giving up 26pt/game.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by patteeu

The team doesn't need a rebuild like it did when Herm took over. And this isn't a band aid approach. It's time to start winning. The window is opening, not closing.

Not true.

The window is open. But it will be closing by 2014. This team isn't as young as you think it is, not by a long shot. The window was opening when Scooter took over the reigns and drove the team into a mountain.

4 years later all the young talent that came in over the last couple years of Herm's time here is approaching the end of their prime years.

This isn't a team that should be rebuilding, but it's definitely a team that should be operating with the knowledge that a rebuild will be necessary by 2015. And honestly, looking at this draft, I think that's exactly what they did. They went after Smith knowing that they need some base-level competency at the position in order to take advantage of the primes of their best players. They then used the rest of the draft on picks that many of us see as somewhat redundant picks, but on BPA guys that they realize will probably be needed to step in sooner than you think.

As I've taken a longer look at this draft, I think they did a very smart thing in how they approached it. This team isn't a young team anymore and Reid/Dorsey wisely approached it as a team starting from scratch.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by -King-

And Green threw a shit ton more intermediate balls than Alex Smith did. Even Cassel did. Alex Smith was the most risk averse starter in the league the past 2 years.

Cassel should have been more risk averse.

Trent Green played in an Air Coryell offense. Alex Smith played for a coach who wanted to run the ball, avoid turnovers, and rely on good defense. I don't know why the number of throws or the yardage stats matter so much given the vastly different circumstances.

Alex Smith is the love child of Trent Green and Rich Gannon. He's smart, mobile, has a fine arm, and all the leadership charisma you could want. He may or may not pan out as the Chiefs starter, but the people writing him off already are delusional.

[BossChief]

Yeah.

Jim Harbaugh wants to Run the ball and avoid turnovers....until he made the switch to a quarterback he wasn't limited to that kind of attack with.

Kaepernick averaged a hundred more offensive yards per game than Alex Smith WITH THE SAME TEAM AROUND HIM.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Cassel should have been more risk averse.

Trent Green played in an Air Coryell offense. Alex Smith played for a coach who wanted to run the ball, avoid turnovers, and rely on good defense. I don't know why the number of throws or the yardage stats matter so much given the vastly different circumstances. .

Why do you think Harbaugh chose to run that system? Was it to troll Alex Smith? Why do you think that when Kaerpernick came in, they threw the ball deep more often?

Obviously Harbaugh trusted one QB to throw the ball deep more than the other. Or are you saying he's stupid and didn't use Alex Smith correctly?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Yeah.

Jim Harbaugh wants to Run the ball and avoid turnovers....until he made the switch to a quarterback he wasn't limited to that kind of attack with.

Kaepernick averaged a hundred more offensive yards per game than Alex Smith WITH THE SAME TEAM AROUND HIM.

Same time

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by -King-

Same time

Also known as a double clothes line.

[-King-]

Number of passes over 10 yards:

In 7 starts Kaerpernick had 81

In 9 starts, Smith had 56

Passes over 20 yards:

Kaepernick: 31

Alex Smith: 17

[el borracho]

Ah, I see the usual litany of excuses, what-ifs and crys that it was everyone else's fault. If only we would judge Smith on individual performance we would feel differently.

Ok, let's examine Smith's individual performance...

At his very best, Smith has produced:
About 200 yards per game and a personal record of 18 touchdowns in a season. I'm not sure how anyone can judge this production as anything other than pathetic in today's NFL. Smith doesn't even make the list for single-season passing touchdowns. He isn't even tied for 229th on the list... he doesn't appear anywhere on the list. In fact, doubling Smith's best year would only tie him for 16th on the list of single-season passing touchdowns. You would have to nearly triple his production to jump to 1st on that list. Tell me again why I should be excited to have a player like Smith at a cost of two very high draft picks.

Smith may be good enough to not lose games, but he is nowhere near good enough to carry a team to a Super Bowl. Smith is not a playmaker; he is the guy who will likely be just good enough to prevent the Chiefs from drafting a legit QB.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

We might as well plan on sending the second rounder. Alex is going to Dominate this year as the Chiefs go 12-4 for the division title.

This trade is a steal for us. Only giving a couple of 2nd rounders for this guy was a joke-We get a #1 franchise quarterback that will lead us to Multiple Superbowl wins.

Best trade Chiefs ever made.

All the Naysayers and Alex haters will be looking pretty silly this time next year.

Originally Posted by PGM

They'll win 10-11 games with even solid QB play

Wow. This season is going to be a lot of fun.