If Martz to the Raiders

kczoo · 01-11-2007, 07:53 PM

and The Raiders pick a franchise QB with their pick, arent we on the bottom of the food chain in the AFC West? Hmmmmm, Martz will make a Raiders offense better than this year and their D is already killer. Were in for a long offseason

Reerun_KC · 01-11-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kczoo

and The Raiders pick a franchise QB with their pick, arent we on the bottom of the food chain in the AFC West? Hmmmmm, Martz will make a Raiders offense better than this year and their D is already killer. Were in for a long offseason

What? No way. Herm says everything is oookkkaaayyyy....

RedDread · 01-11-2007, 07:56 PM

This assumes we make no moves whatsoever. Filling gaps in the O-Line and getting new D-Tackles will improve us tremendously.

Also first year quarterbacks in any system are usually pretty shitty, but behind the Raiders current Offensive Line it could get ugleh.

FAX · 01-11-2007, 07:57 PM

It would be pretty darn funny if the Raiders put together an offense (they still have some talent on that side of the ball) and start making a run while we're sitting here trying to find a lineman who can block a pop up window and listening to Herm tell us it's okay.

FAX

Mile High Mania · 01-11-2007, 07:58 PM

That's a scenario that I honestly never considered... but, yeah... they have talent and Martz has wild ass schemes that would do really well.

ROYC75 · 01-11-2007, 08:00 PM

But ultimately, They would have Martz ..........not a very good HC.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-11-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

But ultimately, They would have Martz ..........not a very good HC.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Martz was the OC of a Super Bowl team. He took the Rams to the playoffs the following year. In 2001, he took the Rams to 14-2, where they lost the Super Bowl 20-16 to the Patriots. Overall, Martz took the Rams to the playoffs four out of five seasons.

That doesn't sound good at all to me, as a Chiefs fan.

KCJohnny · 01-11-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Martz was the OC of a Super Bowl team. He took the Rams to the playoffs the following year. In 2001, he took the Rams to 14-2, where they lost the Super Bowl 20-16 to the Patriots. Overall, Martz took the Rams to the playoffs four out of five seasons.

That doesn't sound good at all to me, as a Chiefs fan.

Hard to argue with that. And Martz fits the Raiders profile.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-11-2007, 11:19 PM

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Hard to argue with that. And Martz fits the Raiders profile.

You know John, as much as I will be despised for saying this, I wish he fit the Chiefs profile.

Bold, courageous playcalling, sometimes reckless but always with the intent to win.

Unlike our current coach.

KCJohnny · 01-11-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know John, as much as I will be despised for saying this, I wish he fit the Chiefs profile.

Bold, courageous playcalling, sometimes reckless but always with the intent to win.

Unlike our current coach.

I would welcome Martz in KC with open arms, but the guy who should be head coach was not offered a contract (Al Saunders). Carl's prickosity is vividly demonstrated by NOT offering AS the HC job when he and Gun could have powered this team to total dominance in the AFCW. Herm is a "Carl knows best" guy which sours me on his tenure knowing AS has a HUGE history of success in KC and the AFCW.

Brock · 01-12-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Martz was the OC of a Super Bowl team. He took the Rams to the playoffs the following year. In 2001, he took the Rams to 14-2, where they lost the Super Bowl 20-16 to the Patriots. Overall, Martz took the Rams to the playoffs four out of five seasons.

That doesn't sound good at all to me, as a Chiefs fan.

That team should have won more than one super bowl. I'd consider the accomplishments you listed as a failure. Also, if you look at Martz's drafts, it's almost as bad as Vermeil's draft record here. Martz drafted Steven Jackson and a bunch of guys you never heard of.

**Skip Towne** · 01-12-2007, 08:29 AM

We are about to start having to worry about the Fade again. But it was a nice vacation.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-12-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

That team should have won more than one super bowl. I'd consider the accomplishments you listed as a failure. Also, if you look at Martz's drafts, it's almost as bad as Vermeil's draft record here. Martz drafted Steven Jackson and a bunch of guys you never heard of.

That's pure speculation on your part. The facts are that succesfully coordinated the Rams to the Super Bowl and won. As the Rams head coach, he took them to the playoffs four out of five years and to the Super Bowl in 2002.

You can say whatever you want, but one thing's for sure, that's NOT ineptitude or failure.

Brock · 01-12-2007, 03:27 PM

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud]That's pure speculation on your part. The facts are that succesfully coordinated the Rams to the Super Bowl and won. As the Rams head coach, he took them to the playoffs four out of five years and to the Super Bowl in 2002.

Yeah, we'll just pretend that his own coaching decisions during playoff games and super bowls didn't cost him those games, or get quarterbacks killed. He didn't build that team, he presided over its decline, period. And that's why he's fired. If the Rams were an AFC team, they never would have made the playoffs all those years.

As easily as it was for Vermeil and Saunders to come over here and in the space of 1 year, create a team that was better offensively than the Rams ever were should tell you something.

ROYC75 · 01-12-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Martz was the OC of a Super Bowl team. He took the Rams to the playoffs the following year. In 2001, he took the Rams to 14-2, where they lost the Super Bowl 20-16 to the Patriots. Overall, Martz took the Rams to the playoffs four out of five seasons.

That doesn't sound good at all to me, as a Chiefs fan.

Leftover talent that started to decline as Martz rode the wave ? Sheesh, what was his final years like, how were his drafts ? When times got tough, he cracked under pressure.

If given him talent and controll of running an offense ( OC ) , he does well, it's the overall control ( HC ) of the team he can't handle.

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Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud]That's pure speculation on your part. The facts are that succesfully coordinated the Rams to the Super Bowl and won. As the Rams head coach, he took them to the playoffs four out of five years and to the Super Bowl in 2002. Yeah, we'll just pretend that his own coaching decisions during playoff games and super bowls didn't cost him those games, or get quarterbacks killed. He didn't build that team, he presided over its decline, period. And that's why he's fired. If the Rams were an AFC team, they never would have made the playoffs all those years. As easily as it was for Vermeil and Saunders to come over here and in the space of 1 year, create a team that was better offensively than the Rams ever were should tell you something.
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