Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

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[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by scott free

So go ahead and explain the nuance.

Oh yes, ALL of that shit has been said in one way or another 10,000 times here... so does Axl get atleast some benefit of the doubt from you because of the receivers, tight ends, line, new team/scheme or not? Because all i ever see is those factors being swept completely under the rug.

Nothing matters to some of you... plays, drives, the record, none of it... you don't like the guy, never will and wont hear a single argument to the contrary.

Truth spoken.. sadly.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by scott free

So go ahead and explain the nuance.

Oh yes, ALL of that shit has been said in one way or another 10,000 times here... so does Axl get atleast some benefit of the doubt from you because of the receivers, tight ends, line, new team/scheme or not? Because all i ever see is those factors being swept completely under the rug.

Nothing matters to some of you... plays, drives, the record, none of it... you don't like the guy, never will and wont hear a single argument to the contrary.

Originally Posted by scott free

Forget it with that guy, all QB's have to be a superhuman capable of overcoming any and all problems singlehandedly, if they're not a top 5 player at the position... they're not worth having.

Now, if we had the rookie who shall go unnamed, he'd breeze us right through the playoffs and into the big game, because, you know... rookies can do that and not waste this great start.

Everything in bold is complete crap, unless you only read the most irrational posters here, or maybe you just really like hyperbole and strawmen in order to make points on arguments that don't exist.

It's not nuance, it's reality... it's rarely black and white, and never as ridiculous as you've described.

I have no idea how people can read guys like duncan, HemiEd, Bowser, OtWP, keg, Plow, Brock, Pablo (to name a few haters (holla!)) and come close to any of the conclusions you've made in those two posts, unless you're just here to troll or maybe if English is like your 3rd language.

I think the first thousand times my stance as well as those I mentioned was explained is probably enough, but I'm sure it'll get mentioned a few more times, so be on the look out for that. But, to answer your question (which seems to be about the only thing not in bold for some reason), yes, it is a rationally based opinion, so it takes all kinds of things into account.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

It must be Chiefs homerism and Red and Gold Colored Chiefs glasses that lead some Chiefs fans to think that the talent on offense is anything beyond Average.

Put behind that, an average at best oline, with a average to slightly over average qb, ad Voila! Crap salad.

But no no. Please, lets all focus on just ONE position.

LOL.

I am homer and KC to the core but you are correct. We have one great player on offense. Charles is it. Bowe is not elite and not a deep threat. His hands are ok at best. We definitely are average best and the O line has sucked. JC has been stuffed alot and Smith has had to run alot.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Everything in bold is complete crap, unless you only read the most irrational posters here, or maybe you just really like hyperbole and strawmen in order to make points on arguments that don't exist.

It's not nuance, it's reality... it's rarely black and white, and never as ridiculous as you've described.

I have no idea how people can read guys like duncan, HemiEd, Bowser, OtWP, keg, Plow, Brock, Pablo (to name a few haters (holla!)) and come close to any of the conclusions you've made in those two posts, unless you're just here to troll or maybe if English is like your 3rd language.

I think the first thousand times my stance as well as those I mentioned was explained is probably enough, but I'm sure it'll get mentioned a few more times, so be on the look out for that. But, to answer your question (which seems to be about the only thing not in bold for some reason), yes, it is a rationally based opinion, so it takes all kinds of things into account.

So i again ask, go ahead and explain your nuance... while i wont argue that many posters have started to look at this pragmatically the last 2-3 weeks - you name those names but in many cases i've seen those opinions soften - i hope you wont argue that the hyperbole surrounding Axls performance in light of all the facts is just as ridiculous as my supposed strawman.

Again i ask, who else did you want this year and more importantly why, whats the advantage to someone else besides Smith this year or next?

Are we better off with someone else this year?
Is Reid too stupid to move on if the guy cant execute his plan?
Are the obvious holes in this offense at all to blame for Smiths performance?
Can a 15 year loser fill every roster spot with capable players in less than a year?

That was a very courteous slam, but all i want to know is what better option did you have in mind?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by scott free

So i again ask, go ahead and explain your nuance... while i wont argue that many posters have started to look at this pragmatically the last 2-3 weeks - you name those names but in many cases i've seen those opinions soften - i hope you wont argue that the hyperbole surrounding Axls performance in light of all the facts is just as ridiculous as my supposed strawman.

Again i ask, who else did you want this year and more importantly why, whats the advantage to someone else besides Smith this year or next?

Are we better off with someone else this year?
Is Reid too stupid to move on if the guy cant execute his plan?
Are the obvious holes in this offense at all to blame for Smiths performance?
Can a 15 year loser fill every roster spot with capable players in less than a year?

That was a very courteous slam, but all i want to know is what better option did you have in mind?

I suggested during the offseason that Jason Campbell would have been a more economical choice and perhaps even an equivalent quarterback to Alex Smith. People basically laughed at me every time I brought him up. Flash forward a few months, and in a two week stretch he outperforms Smith in a loss at Arrowhead and then wins AFC offensive player of the week for his performance in the Browns victory last Sunday against the Ravens. Can he sustain that? I don't know. But that's two games better than any performance Alex has had this year, and I don't believe the Browns offensive roster is collectively better than ours, or that the Browns offensive coaching staff is collectively better than ours.

I don't think "stupidity" has anything to do with the likelihood of the team retaining Smith. They gave up a pair of seconds for him, and they've started the year 9-0. They're not moving on from that. I'd be shocked if he doesn't get an extension this offseason, even if his play doesn't improve an iota in the last 7 games.

I'm sure the youth and system change on the offensive line, as well as the injuries at tight end, have played a role in Alex's performance. I also believe that, on that flip side, Alex's performance has had a detrimental effect on the performance of the wide receivers. Something which many of us expected, and are not, unfortunately, surprised to see.

I believe they actually have peopled the roster with competitive personnel, across the board. Including on offense. I think the group, as a whole, is underperforming, and I believe that Alex Smith is as responsible for that as anyone else.

Which is not, of course, in any way suggesting that he's solely responsible.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by scott free

So go ahead and explain the nuance.

Oh yes, ALL of that shit has been said in one way or another 10,000 times here... so does Axl get atleast some benefit of the doubt from you because of the receivers, tight ends, line, new team/scheme or not? Because all i ever see is those factors being swept completely under the rug.

Nothing matters to some of you... plays, drives, the record, none of it... you don't like the guy, never will and wont hear a single argument to the contrary.

This is the only part of your argument I don't agree with.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I suggested during the offseason that Jason Campbell would have been a more economical choice and perhaps even an equivalent quarterback to Alex Smith. People basically laughed at me every time I brought him up. Flash forward a few months, and in a two week stretch he outperforms Smith in a loss at Arrowhead and then wins AFC offensive player of the week for his performance in the Browns victory last Sunday against the Ravens. Can he sustain that? I don't know. But that's two games better than any performance Alex has had this year, and I don't believe the Browns offensive roster is collectively better than ours, or that the Browns offensive coaching staff is collectively better than ours.

I don't think "stupidity" has anything to do with the likelihood of the team retaining Smith. They gave up a pair of seconds for him, and they've started the year 9-0. They're not moving on from that. I'd be shocked if he doesn't get an extension this offseason, even if his play doesn't improve an iota in the last 7 games.

I'm sure the youth and system change on the offensive line, as well as the injuries at tight end, have played a role in Alex's performance. I also believe that, on that flip side, Alex's performance has had a detrimental effect on the performance of the wide receivers. Something which many of us expected, and are not, unfortunately, surprised to see.

I believe they actually have peopled the roster with competitive personnel, across the board. Including on offense. I think the group, as a whole, is underperforming, and I believe that Alex Smith is as responsible for that as anyone else.

Which is not, of course, in any way suggesting that he's solely responsible.

Keg nails it, again. As recently as a few weeks ago, people were laughing at claims the Chiefs would even be at least 6-2 with Campbell at QB. But he was a viable alternative (note: he also is in a new offense, with little talent at RB) to Smith and a much cheaper one.

Alex Smith has not been helped much by the guys around him. But Avery looks like a pretty damn good No 2 WR if you add 3 TDs and 150 yards to his stat line (which you would if Smith could throw a deep ball). Bowe's abilities are proven at this point. I have no problem with a comment about how bad the TEs have been, but the same argument doesn't hold up on the WRs for me. They're not elite, but there's enough there to be pretty good.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Keg nails it, again. As recently as a few weeks ago, people were laughing at claims the Chiefs would even be at least 6-2 with Campbell at QB. But he was a viable alternative (note: he also is in a new offense, with little talent at RB) to Smith and a much cheaper one.

Alex Smith has not been helped much by the guys around him. But Avery looks like a pretty damn good No 2 WR if you add 3 TDs and 150 yards to his stat line (which you would if Smith could throw a deep ball). Bowe's abilities are proven at this point. I have no problem with a comment about how bad the TEs have been, but the same argument doesn't hold up on the WRs for me. They're not elite, but there's enough there to be pretty good.

Exactly.

Bowe is a 1000 yard WR with trash like Huard, Thigpen and Cassel, but he's a POS with Smith?

It's comical how all offseason people talked about how talented this team is, what a great addition Avery was going to be, etc - yet now, they are all trash in an effort to exonerate Alex Smith for poor play.

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8K posts on this 2nd biggest waste behind con. realignment.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by PGM

8K posts on this 2nd biggest waste behind con. realignment.

There's been a lot of decent football discussion in here, too.

I remember about 6k posts ago, 3-4 games into the season, when I was "HOPEFUL" about Andy Reid unlocking what he saw in Alex Smith and getting more out of him.

It was a better time.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

There's been a lot of decent football discussion in here, too.

I remember about 6k posts ago, 3-4 games into the season, when I was "HOPEFUL" about Andy Reid unlocking what he saw in Alex Smith and getting more out of him.

It was a better time.

Yep. After the 2nd half of the Giants game. Even the most negative folks thought/hoped that might be a turning point.

Well, he turned. Wrong direction.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by PGM

8K posts on this 2nd biggest waste behind con. realignment.

Alex Smith is our TCU.

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Sup crybabies?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

I can't be the only one who gets severe douche chills from this guy's condescending posts, right?

Ironic.

Originally Posted by aturnis

So full of fail.

Alex has not been a quality starting vet QB this season. He hasn't thrown a TD in 5 of 9 games this season. Has been atrocious on third down, and can't utilize his weapons.

Also, Jason Campbell would be9-0 with this defense.

No, the ****, he wouldn't. There is no Josh Gordon, Top oline, or Jordan Cameron on this team.

The Browns oline held the Vaunted Chiefs defense to 1 SACK.

Please, TRY AGAIN.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Jason Campbell JFC