Chiefs Intriguing training camp battles that are becoming evident - Page 3

**RealSNR** · 05-11-2014, 11:00 AM

1. Quarterback
I hope Dorsey has enough sense to realize that if he needs money for the cap, Chase Daniel is sucking out 3 million this year. Bray and Murray are both unprovens, but one would hope that training camp and preseason would start to show that either Bray or Murray is good enough to be backup QB material. Were that to happen, the other guy would take the 3rd spot and hopefully kick Daniel to the curb.

2. Offensive line
What a freaking mess. We're bound to keep a shit ton of fatties on the final 53 roster, assuming we want to keep Kush around. After Fisher, Hudson, and Stephenson as the starters, it's anybody's guess. I'm going to assume Dr. Frenchie stays aboard because we wouldn't be so stupid as to try to stash him away on the practice squad, right? Besides, do you see anybody else on the team who can be trusted to play OT? I know Linkenbach does, but... eww. I don't want him the primary swing tackle.

So it's down to the guards now. Linkenbach should be depth at RG/RT; making him the starter just exacerbates our continuity problem next year when Hudson will likely walk AND we have to replace RG again. Jeff Allen will probably stick around (blech). So I really believe here that if the team wants to avoid doing something stupid like letting Dr. Frenchie get plucked off the waivers, they need to make the starting RG spot a winner take all situation between Fulton and Johnson. They may end up keeping 4 guards on the roster, with Linkenbach counting as a swing guy, but there are THREE dudes whose comfortable side is on the right. Somebody is going to have to move to LG incase Allen goes down. At this point I have no clue what their plans are for that. I would hope they'd try to move Johnson to left, but we'll see.

3. Cornerback
This is a problem, but a good problem. We're six guys deep:

Smith
Cooper
Flowers
Gaines
Owens
Parker

All of those guys are worth keeping on the roster, and we may try to stash them all away. But it's also possible that we only go with 5, in which case the low man has to either switch to safety or get raped. What's interesting about this battle is not only finding out if the staff will cut a hardy veteran like Flowers in training camp just to accelerate the eventual cap cut we'll need to perform at some point, but it's figuring out how the team will make use of each individual CB's skill during games. I wouldn't be surprised to see us dress at least 5 CBs each game for special teams reasons.

4. Safety
So no, we didn't draft a safety, but this has been an ongoing anticipated training camp battle. Here are the dudes:

Eric Berry
Husain Abdullah
Sanders Commings
Jerron McMillian
Malcolm Bronson
Daniel Sorenson

We got Berry (duh). Abdullah is penciled in as the starter at FS. It's highly unlikely that Commings goes anywhere (except possibly IR again). So there are 1-2 spots for McMillian, Bronson, and Sorenson, and one of them needs to be a SS depth spot. That means McMillian and Bronson are basically the only challengers.

I have no ****ing clue who Bronson is. He was supposedly a part of our training camp and preseason, but I never saw him play a single goddamn down in those games-- not even in the final game when every backup and their mother was playing most of the game. But in spite of all that, we kept him aboard on the practice squad all year over some other safeties who were probably more deserving, like McDougle. Perhaps Dorsey and Reid know something we don't about that guy. I'm willing to say no, but he's a wildcard. I'm also going to assume that Sorenson takes the 5th safety spot if we keep 5. So there's just a lot of question marks at safety. They're intriguing question marks, but question marks nonetheless.

splatbass · 05-11-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

You guys are going to be awfully upset when the Chiefs don't cut Daniels but instead end up cutting either Bray or Murray.

I can't see them cutting Murray that soon after drafting him.

Exoter175 · 05-11-2014, 12:17 PM

If Albert Wilson makes the team, I imagine there's going to be a battle over return duties with DAT. After watching every video I could find on Wilson, I have a feeling we're going to have a legitimate battle at WR this year.

OldSchool · 05-11-2014, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

I can't see them cutting Murray that soon after drafting him.

5th round picks get cut all of the time. They would try to stash him on the practice squad.

rtmike · 05-11-2014, 12:20 PM

I read where he said the Dr.s cleared him to start practicing right away, AM.

Exoter175 · 05-11-2014, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

5th round picks get cut all of the time. They would try to stash him on the practice squad.

Murray won't last on the P Squad, either Bray gets P Squad, or one of them gets IR so they can carry 4 if they don't move Chase out.

That being said, I fully expect there to be a #2 battle for QB, not a #3 battle like the talking heads mentioned when we drafted Murray.

OldSchool · 05-11-2014, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

If Albert Wilson makes the team, I imagine there's going to be a battle over return duties with DAT. After watching every video I could find on Wilson, I have a feeling we're going to have a legitimate battle at WR this year.

He's Bruce Ellington except he didn't play with a solid QB in college and he needs more work with consistency in catching the ball with his hands. Phenomenal return man in college though, just slightly behind DAT in speed and explosion but not by much.

htismaqe · 05-11-2014, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

I can't see them cutting Murray that soon after drafting him.

He was a 5th round pick. They could always just stash him on the practice squad.

Exoter175 · 05-11-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

He's Bruce Ellington except he didn't play with a solid QB in college and he needs more work with consistency in catching the ball with his hands. Phenomenal return man in college though, just slightly behind DAT in speed and explosion but not by much.

He looks built to play the slot, which I like.

OldSchool · 05-11-2014, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

He looks built to play the slot, which I like.

I actually wish he would drop 10-15 pounds to get even faster and quicker because at 5'9.3" and 203 pounds, he's built like a RB, not a WR.

Right now he is about as fast as Randall Cobb. His extra 10 pounds is the difference between being just fast and being world class.

Exoter175 · 05-11-2014, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

I actually wish he would drop 10-15 pounds to get even faster and quicker because at 5'9.3" and 203 pounds, he's built like a RB, not a WR.

Right now he is about as fast as Randall Cobb. His extra 10 pounds is the difference between being just fast and being world class.

And I'm okay with him having that weight if he's going over the middle. I don't want a Dante Hall type as the slot guy, I want someone with bulk because in this system, the guy's gonna have to deal with some contact.

**SAUTO** · 05-11-2014, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He was a 5th round pick. They could always just stash him on the practice squad.

Or worst case scenario ir him. I know that's not optimal but if it's between losing him and keeping him ir the ****er
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OldSchool · 05-11-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

And I'm okay with him having that weight if he's going over the middle. I don't want a Dante Hall type as the slot guy, I want someone with bulk because in this system, the guy's gonna have to deal with some contact.

I like smaller Wrs to be nearly untouchable, not pinballs like small RBs are.

farmerchief · 05-11-2014, 12:52 PM

I'd vote Bray ends up on ps, and Murray is #3 QB, for now....

Exoter175 · 05-11-2014, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

I like smaller Wrs to be nearly untouchable, not pinballs like small RBs are.

Wilson's not "that" big. Only reason he looks like a RB is because of the trunks he has for legs.

**mdchiefsfan** · 05-11-2014, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If they do that, he can't practice. That would be a BIG problem, IMO.

I agree. It would really be a waste of a pick if we IR him and not get the man some reps. If Bray can't handle some competition for the 3rd spot then he shouldn't be here, plain and simple.

With that said, watch Bray go on to tear our asses in the future; it's the Chiefs Way.

05-11-2014, 11:00 AM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2380208	Intriguing training camp battles that are becoming evident 1. Quarterback I hope Dorsey has enough sense to realize that if he needs money for the cap, Chase Daniel is sucking out 3 million this year. Bray and Murray are both unprovens, but one would hope that training camp and preseason would start to show that either Bray or Murray is good enough to be backup QB material. Were that to happen, the other guy would take the 3rd spot and hopefully kick Daniel to the curb. 2. Offensive line What a freaking mess. We're bound to keep a shit ton of fatties on the final 53 roster, assuming we want to keep Kush around. After Fisher, Hudson, and Stephenson as the starters, it's anybody's guess. I'm going to assume Dr. Frenchie stays aboard because we wouldn't be so stupid as to try to stash him away on the practice squad, right? Besides, do you see anybody else on the team who can be trusted to play OT? I know Linkenbach does, but... eww. I don't want him the primary swing tackle. So it's down to the guards now. Linkenbach should be depth at RG/RT; making him the starter just exacerbates our continuity problem next year when Hudson will likely walk AND we have to replace RG again. Jeff Allen will probably stick around (blech). So I really believe here that if the team wants to avoid doing something stupid like letting Dr. Frenchie get plucked off the waivers, they need to make the starting RG spot a winner take all situation between Fulton and Johnson. They may end up keeping 4 guards on the roster, with Linkenbach counting as a swing guy, but there are THREE dudes whose comfortable side is on the right. Somebody is going to have to move to LG incase Allen goes down. At this point I have no clue what their plans are for that. I would hope they'd try to move Johnson to left, but we'll see. 3. Cornerback This is a problem, but a good problem. We're six guys deep: Smith Cooper Flowers Gaines Owens Parker All of those guys are worth keeping on the roster, and we may try to stash them all away. But it's also possible that we only go with 5, in which case the low man has to either switch to safety or get raped. What's interesting about this battle is not only finding out if the staff will cut a hardy veteran like Flowers in training camp just to accelerate the eventual cap cut we'll need to perform at some point, but it's figuring out how the team will make use of each individual CB's skill during games. I wouldn't be surprised to see us dress at least 5 CBs each game for special teams reasons. 4. Safety So no, we didn't draft a safety, but this has been an ongoing anticipated training camp battle. Here are the dudes: Eric Berry Husain Abdullah Sanders Commings Jerron McMillian Malcolm Bronson Daniel Sorenson We got Berry (duh). Abdullah is penciled in as the starter at FS. It's highly unlikely that Commings goes anywhere (except possibly IR again). So there are 1-2 spots for McMillian, Bronson, and Sorenson, and one of them needs to be a SS depth spot. That means McMillian and Bronson are basically the only challengers. I have no ****ing clue who Bronson is. He was supposedly a part of our training camp and preseason, but I never saw him play a single goddamn down in those games-- not even in the final game when every backup and their mother was playing most of the game. But in spite of all that, we kept him aboard on the practice squad all year over some other safeties who were probably more deserving, like McDougle. Perhaps Dorsey and Reid know something we don't about that guy. I'm willing to say no, but he's a wildcard. I'm also going to assume that Sorenson takes the 5th safety spot if we keep 5. So there's just a lot of question marks at safety. They're intriguing question marks, but question marks nonetheless.
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