Football Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

**BossChief** · 02-20-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

All but Hasselbeck, Grossman and Warner.

If Smith takes his team to a championship game or Super Bowl by the end of his second season, the debate could be re-opened, depending on how that team was led.

But at this point in time, before the Combines, before the Draft, before training camp, etc. it's just damn silly to make these comparisons.

You're right Dane, we should probably just shut the board down for maintenance until after the draft.

Forgive me for listing the quarterbacks that have been to the recent superbowls and asking "what skills do these guys have that Geno doesn't and which were better PROSPECTS coming out of college.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

You're right Dane, we should probably just shut the board down for maintenance until after the draft.

Forgive me for listing the quarterbacks that have been to the recent superbowls and asking "what skills do these guys have that Geno doesn't and which were better PROSPECTS coming out of college.

What's ****ing RIDICULOUS is that you're asking a question that CANNOT BE ANSWERED.

YOU have no idea how Eugene Smith will play in the NFL. None. Not ONE iota. Because you WANT him to be drafted by the Chiefs and WANT him to play well, you're PROJECTING when in reality, you have absolutely no idea where he'll land or how he will perform.

If you're going to ask that question of Smith, why not ask it of Nassib, Wilson, Glennon, Dysert and Manuel? And even if you did, it would be an empty response made up of pure CONJECTURE, not fact.

**BossChief** · 02-20-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What's ****ing RIDICULOUS is that you're asking a question that CANNOT BE ANSWERED.

YOU have no idea how Eugene Smith will play in the NFL. None. Not ONE iota. Because you WANT him to be drafted by the Chiefs and WANT him to play well, you're PROJECTING when in reality, you have absolutely no idea where he'll land or how he will perform.

If you're going to ask that question of Smith, why not ask it of Nassib, Wilson, Glennon, Dysert and Manuel? And even if you did, it would be an empty response made up of pure CONJECTURE, not fact.

You're being obtuse and not paying attention.

I CLEARLY asked for everyone to look at the players that made it to the superbowl and then trying to look back at them WHEN THEY WERE COMING OUT OF COLLEGE and seeing how Geno stacks up to them at that point.

If you don't think that can be looked at objectively, I guess I can't help you because all YOU ever saw were 2 ****ing games that Geno Smith has EVER played. His worst two games of his career, to boot.

If someone else would have done that at any point in the last few years, you would clown them.

Some of us have watched nearly every game of his from the last two years.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Some of us have watched nearly every game of his from the last two years.

I'll be completely honest: I don't give a ****. I don't give a **** how many games you've watched or GoChiefs or Milkman. It doesn't matter.

What matter is the GM of the Kansas City Chiefs said that there is NO QB in this draft worthy of a first round grade. Period. End of story.

That's the SAME EXACT THING that's been said by reporters and scouts during the 2012 college season and the 2013 offseason.

Now, due to need, a QB or two might be chosen in the first round but that doesn't mean that they're true first round talent. Some teams will just "roll the dice".

All this blather and bluster about "I've watched "film" is ridiculous nonsense, especially BEFORE THE COMBINES.

And JFC, the guy didn't show up at the Senior Bowl and those that did, sucked ass. So all this "Oh, the draft class is no weaker than in year's past" is absolute garbage.

Especially considering not one of these guys has played a down in the NFL.

**BossChief** · 02-20-2013, 01:44 PM

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He didn't say "Better Prospects". He said "Better QB's".

HUGE difference.

Tom Brady won put a team on his shoulders and won a Super Bowl in Year Two. Kaepernick led his team to a Super Bowl in Year Two. Collins led the Panthers to the NFC Championship in Year Two. Etc. and so on.

Just because scouts missed on guys doesn't mean that the players weren't ready to lead a team.

I didn't say that at all.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I didn't say that at all.

No where does your post say "Prospects".

You asked who was better coming out of college. First off, that can't be answered because Smith hasn't played in the NFL yet but I think it's safe to say that many of those players, especially Brady, were missed by scouts.

milkman · 02-20-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No where does your post say "Prospects".

You asked who was better coming out of college. First off, that can't be answered because Smith hasn't played in the NFL yet but I think it's safe to say that many of those players, especially Brady, were missed by scouts.

You are being both obtuse and hypocritical.

He's asking how Geno stacks up as prospect against how those guys stacked. Up when they were just prospects.

It's not that ****ing hard.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You are being both obtuse and hypocritical.

He's asking how Geno stacks up as prospect against how those guys stacked. Up when they were just prospects.

It's not that ****ing hard.

Well **** me.

I guess that fact that scouts missed on Brady, Kaepernick, Wilson, Warner, etc. and so on means that Geno Smith will be the greatest ****ing QB of all time.

Yay.

milkman · 02-20-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well **** me.

I guess that fact that scouts missed on Brady, Kaepernick, Wilson, Warner, etc. and so on means that Geno Smith will be the greatest ****ing QB of all time.

Yay.

No, it doesn't mean anything more than scouts make poor assesments all the ****ing time.

But you go ahead and keep posting other's opinions.

It makes look like ****in genius.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, it doesn't mean anything more than scouts make poor assesments all the ****ing time.

But you go ahead and keep posting other's opinions.

It makes look like ****in genius.

How am I posting other people's opinions?

Hell, from what I've read here, you and your posse have it all figured out:

It's just a matter of time before Andy Reid and John Dorsey are in full agreement.