Polian and Dungy to be new GM and HC?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Dungy isn't a disaster like Crennel, but he is nothing more than an average at best NFL coach. What value did he provide at Indy other than a stable hand? His supposed clame-to-fame, defense, was the big weakness in Indy. John Fox appears to be doing more with an aging Manning than Dungy did in Manning's prime.

A few things. First, polians philosophy was to rotate the back 7. So the defense had to deal with constantly changing, second rate personnel. Second, dungy ran the Tampa 2 a few years past it's prime. Keep in mind that, unlike herm, he doesn't strike me as a guy married to Tampa 2. His career started out in Pittsburgh and kc, so he's versed in cowher and Marty defensive schemes. Wouldn't be surprised to see him shift to an entirely different defense.

And it's too soon to say what fox is doing with Peyton. He's played one season against a weak division.

What value did he provide? Again, we have seen so many teams quit on their coach or rebel against a hardass. Dungy pumps out consistently very good teams. For 13 years. Hes a very good coach. I don't know how anyone can discredit him. He's only overrated by people who think he's a blue chip coach. Again... He is Marty, not herm.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A few things. First, polians philosophy was to rotate the back 7. So the defense had to deal with constantly changing, second rate personnel. Second, dungy ran the Tampa 2 a few years past it's prime. Keep in mind that, unlike herm, he doesn't strike me as a guy married to Tampa 2. His career started out in Pittsburgh and kc, so he's versed in cowher and Marty defensive schemes. Wouldn't be surprised to see him shift to an entirely different defense.

And it's too soon to say what fox is doing with Peyton. He's played one season against a weak division.

What value did he provide? Again, we have seen so many teams quit on their coach or rebel against a hardass. Dungy pumps out consistently very good teams. For 13 years. Hes a very good coach. I don't know how anyone can discredit him. He's only overrated by people who think he's a blue chip coach. Again... He is Marty, not herm.

Tony Dungy played in the cover 2 with Steelers.

The Tampa 2 is just a variation of that, with some adjustment to defend against the WCO.

It's pretty much his baby.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A few things. First, polians philosophy was to rotate the back 7. So the defense had to deal with constantly changing, second rate personnel. Second, dungy ran the Tampa 2 a few years past it's prime. Keep in mind that, unlike herm, he doesn't strike me as a guy married to Tampa 2. His career started out in Pittsburgh and kc, so he's versed in cowher and Marty defensive schemes. Wouldn't be surprised to see him shift to an entirely different defense.

And it's too soon to say what fox is doing with Peyton. He's played one season against a weak division.

What value did he provide? Again, we have seen so many teams quit on their coach or rebel against a hardass. Dungy pumps out consistently very good teams. For 13 years. Hes a very good coach. I don't know how anyone can discredit him. He's only overrated by people who think he's a blue chip coach. Again... He is Marty, not herm.

Has Tony Dungy had even an NFL-average defense without Monte Kiffin as his DC?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Has Tony Dungy had even an NFL-average defense without Monte Kiffin as his DC?

Are you serious? He was a DC for Pittsburgh and KC. He's a terrific defensive mind. Polian said out loud that his strategy was to rotate low-paid, late round draft talent to fill in his defensive back 7. It was as much talent in Indy as it was scheme.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Are you serious? He was a DC for Pittsburgh and KC. He's a terrific defensive mind. Polian said out loud that his strategy was to rotate low-paid, late round draft talent to fill in his defensive back 7. It was as much talent in Indy as it was scheme.

Perhaps. I just thought watching Dungy-Meeks defenses was as bad as watching Robinson and Gunther defenses. It seems to me that Polian-Dungy underachieved given winning the lottery with Manning. How one wants to allocate blame between the two I really don't care.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Are you serious? He was a DC for Pittsburgh and KC. He's a terrific defensive mind. Polian said out loud that his strategy was to rotate low-paid, late round draft talent to fill in his defensive back 7. It was as much talent in Indy as it was scheme.

he was never a kansas city DC. he was the secondary coach.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

he was never a kansas city DC. he was the secondary coach.

Brain fart. I meant to say Pittsburgh and Minnesota. But he also is versed in Marty's defense and cowhers defense when they were in kc.

People trying to discredit him as a terrific defensive mind are outside of their minds. He is one of the most well respected defensive minds in the game. The question is if his philosophy will change as times change. We won't really know until we saw what he does in his return.