The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[Baby Lee]

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[Buck]

75% of the shit in the college humor video was either already explained or not important at all.
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[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Buck

75% of the shit in the college humor video was either already explained or not important at all.
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Leaving 25% of that shit in the category of "unexplained & important." Which is way, way too high. To quote prominent TV critic Alan Sepinwall:

Originally Posted by Alan Sepinwall

Jack tells Desmond at one point, "Trust me, I know: All of this matters," and that's a very similar sentiment to one espoused by Lester Freamon on "The Wire" - a show where all the pieces did, in fact, matter, and everything that was introduced paid off down the road. It's not a fair comparison, both because "The Wire" is the greatest drama ever, and because it was telling different kinds of stories in a different way from "Lost." But when I hear Jack say something like that, at the end of a series at which a whole lotta things wound up not mattering at all, it's hard to ignore the thematic dissonance.

[Red Brooklyn]

I'm honestly a little surpised how many people latched onto those wreckage images during the credits. Never once did it cross my mind while watching the finale that we were supposed to think they all died in the crash. Yet, so many people (I'm finding out now) in the online community thought just that very thing. Weird.

Seems pretty clear to me it was meant more as a reflective thing. A "remember where we started" thing. I thought the images were very evocotive. Unnecessary, perhaps. But certainly not an indication that "they all died in the crash."

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I'm honestly a little surpised how many people latched onto those wreckage images during the credits. Never once did it cross my mind while watching the finale that we were supposed to think they all died in the crash. Yet, so many people (I'm finding out now) in the online community thought just that very thing. Weird.

Seems pretty clear to me it was meant more as a reflective thing. A "remember where we started" thing. I thought the images were very evocotive. Unnecessary, perhaps. But certainly not an indication that "they all died in the crash."

That's how I took it too, although I can see why some took it to mean that everyone died in the original crash.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Leaving 25% of that shit in the category of "unexplained & important." Which is way, way too high. To quote prominent TV critic Alan Sepinwall:

Okay. So what do you think was left unresolved that really mattered?

I've spent way too much time rewatching each episode over the years, and thinking about the finale the last couple of days... and honestly... I can't think of one really "important" question that was answered. Many of the answers are not obvious. But there's enough info throughtout to draw logical conclusions.

The only think I'm still unsatisfied with is Walt's resolution. I was really hoping there would be something in the finale that resolved that character. I'm not talking about answers like "why was he special." I mean what happened to Walt in his life. How was the rest of his life, how was his adult life affected by what happened on that island, and never seeing his father again.

There's some of this that's hinted at, but I still feel unresolved regarding Walt. Other than that... the whole series was fantastic. The best thing I've ever seen on network TV. Hands down.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by patteeu

That's how I took it too, although I can see why some took it to mean that everyone died in the original crash.

Sure. That's fair. After reading that so many people saw it that way, I can see it. Just surprised me how many people saw it that way initially. Because it never crossed my mind.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

Okay. So what do you think was left unresolved that really mattered?

I've spent way too much time rewatching each episode over the years, and thinking about the finale the last couple of days... and honestly... I can't think of one really "important" question that was answered. Many of the answers are not obvious. But there's enough info throughtout to draw logical conclusions.

The only think I'm still unsatisfied with is Walt's resolution. I was really hoping there would be something in the finale that resolved that character. I'm not talking about answers like "why was he special." I mean what happened to Walt in his life. How was the rest of his life, how was his adult life affected by what happened on that island, and never seeing his father again.

There's some of this that's hinted at, but I still feel unresolved regarding Walt. Other than that... the whole series was fantastic. The best thing I've ever seen on network TV. Hands down.

I can't answer your question because I've barely seen any of the show. I am going to watch it all straight through as soon as I finish Super Mario Galaxy 2. I've got seasons 1-5 borrowed from a friend and I'll just torrent season 6.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I can't answer your question because I've barely seen any of the show. I am going to watch it all straight through as soon as I finish Super Mario Galaxy 2. I've got seasons 1-5 borrowed from a friend and I'll just torrent season 6.

I see.

Well keep us posted as you watch. I'm interested to see if you really have that many questions when all is said and done.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I see.

Well keep us posted as you watch. I'm interested to see if you really have that many questions when all is said and done.

I have the hindsight of watching most of the finale and thus knowing that, by the end, the show intended to have a purely character-driven payoff. I will be evaluating the show on two accounts: 1.) How good of a character drama is it (and how does including several potentially-maddening elements of sci-fi and fantasy benefit or detract from the characters) and 2.) Forget the intentions to be a character drama; how does this show really feel?

[Buck]

Reaper, just so you know my stance on this. There will be 1 or 2 big things that you will want resolved by the end that will be left up in the air and open to your interpretation, but the show is great regardless. I would say they answered 98% of the most important shit. And going back to that college humor vid, you gotta watch the show first man.
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[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

Okay. So what do you think was left unresolved that really mattered?

I think 'mattered' isn't the proper standard. What those mysteries were were the elements of intrigue that drew us in and captured our imagination. The promise of getting answers kept us glued to the minutiae of each and every episode.
It's like you see on Amazon a book that promises, SWEARS, to give you definitive answers about Bigfoot, Nessie, the JFK assassination, the origin of the pyramids, and the popularity of Dancing with the Stars. And when it comes in the mail it's a tract for the Jehovah's witnesses. The authors could point out that all that 'matters' is your eternal salvation, but that doesn't make the bait and switch any less a bummer.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

The only think I'm still unsatisfied with is Walt's resolution. I was really hoping there would be something in the finale that resolved that character. I'm not talking about answers like "why was he special." I mean what happened to Walt in his life. How was the rest of his life, how was his adult life affected by what happened on that island, and never seeing his father again.

There's some of this that's hinted at, but I still feel unresolved regarding Walt. Other than that... the whole series was fantastic. The best thing I've ever seen on network TV. Hands down.

Walt was certaintly important to them at one time. He should have been in the room. They could have brought him back as a man to the church. That wouldn't have mattered he was no longer a boy.

[Buck]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I have the hindsight of watching most of the finale and thus knowing that, by the end, the show intended to have a purely character-driven payoff. I will be evaluating the show on two accounts: 1.) How good of a character drama is it (and how does including several potentially-maddening elements of sci-fi and fantasy benefit or detract from the characters) and 2.) Forget the intentions to be a character drama; how does this show really feel?

Dude. This show IS character development. You will see why within the first couple episodes. Its just the way the show is formatted.
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[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I'm honestly a little surpised how many people latched onto those wreckage images during the credits. Never once did it cross my mind while watching the finale that we were supposed to think they all died in the crash. Yet, so many people (I'm finding out now) in the online community thought just that very thing. Weird.

Seems pretty clear to me it was meant more as a reflective thing. A "remember where we started" thing. I thought the images were very evocotive. Unnecessary, perhaps. But certainly not an indication that "they all died in the crash."

If it had nothing to do with the episode, I think it was incredibly stupid on ABC's part... the whole show was about uncovering mysteries and all the little things, most of which I didn't catch before reading this thread... and on top of that, the symmetry between the pilot and the end lead me to believe the shots at the end was driving home a point.

I get your point (and I don't really believe in that theory anyway)... the show is over at that point, and hell, I went back to hulu to see the credits because they always put a commercial at the end, so I just skip them. I never would have thought of it as being a transition though... if anything, they should have shown a few shots that were obviously how they left the island.