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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

Fish · 05-26-2010, 11:42 AM

The entire show was actually all in Vincent's mind....

Red Brooklyn · 05-26-2010, 11:52 AM

I guess I'm one of the fortunate fans out there that was much more interested in the characters, their relationship to each other, their relationship to the island, and the question of destiny vs free will.

Since I always thought the mysteries were a fun plot device and not the driving force of the experience, I've been able to walk away very fulfilled.

I don't see it as a "bait and switch" in any way. For me the show was about people who were "lost" in their lives, people without direction. The island helped navagate them. The mysteries were a backdrop. I love that they didn't feel the need to answer a lot of questions that our characters weren't asking.

But to each their own. I understand why people feel let down or frustrated. I'm just not one of those people.

Red Brooklyn · 05-26-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck

I don't get how the bomb going off caused fertility issues. Oh yeah actually 1 more thing that I wanted explained, but wasn't was the huge Egyptian presence. I just think the island is really old and goes back to egyptian times, but that doesn't explain the statue (well sorta maybe) or the countdown clock. That was clearly made in the 1970s.
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I would imagine it has something to do with the exposure to radiation and the electro-magnetic energy.

I think it ties into the "infection" or "sickness" that Dharma was immunizing people against, as well as why they wore hazmat suits when the left the Swan Station.

**Baby Lee** · 05-26-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I guess I'm one of the fortunate fans out there that was much more interested in the characters, their relationship to each other, their relationship to the island, and the question of destiny vs free will.

Since I always thought the mysteries were a fun plot device and not the driving force of the experience, I've been able to walk away very fulfilled.

I don't see it as a "bait and switch" in any way. For me the show was about people who were "lost" in their lives, people without direction. The island helped navagate them. The mysteries were a backdrop. I love that they didn't feel the need to answer a lot of questions that our characters weren't asking.

But to each their own. I understand why people feel let down or frustrated. I'm just not one of those people.

Ironic statement. I guaran-damn-tee you, go to the archives of any of 1000s of blogs discussing this show in real time [including earlier in this very thread], and there's an overwhelming number of posts asking why these f@cking characters weren't asking any f@cking questions, and why any questions that were raised went f@cking unanswered. This, followed by, "I guess I'll have to hold out hope it'll all make sense one day. They say they have it planned out, so."

Red Brooklyn · 05-26-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Ironic statement. I guaran-damn-tee you, go to the archives of any of 1000s of blogs discussing this show in real time [including earlier in this very thread], and there's an overwhelming number of posts asking why these f@cking characters weren't asking any f@cking questions, and why any questions that were raised went f@cking unanswered. This, followed by, "I guess I'll have to hold out hope it'll all make sense one day. They say they have it planned out, so."

You're absolutely right. I may have even made a post like that a time or two, not gonna like.

But people are always going to see things from their own point of view. The viewer wanted an answer, so the viewer wondered why the characters weren't more inquisitive. "Why the hell aren't they asking more questions. If I were him/her I'd want a effing answer to _________! "

Okay. Fine. I'm not saying it's wrong to want answers, or to feel let down by the "lack" there of. But I still think it's cool that most (if not all) of the questions that the characters cared about were answered. I like that they kept up the conceit that we were living/observing through their eyes. Through their experience. Even to the extent that they intentionally changed dialogue during scenes depending on who's POV we were seeing it through.

I think that's cool. Even the mysteries were about the characters. I don't know. Maybe I'm too biased. But I just loved the show, and the conclusion.

KCFalcon59 · 05-26-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

The entire show was actually all in Vincent's mind....

That's awesome!

**noa** · 05-27-2010, 01:33 AM

Just ventured into this thread for the first time. I watched the finale but hadn't really read anything on it since. Been too busy.

I think there has to be some significance to the fact that when Jack regains consciousness after being down in the light, he is in the exact same position MIB was after Jacob threw him into the light. Not sure exactly what the meaning is though. I do think that the visual alone of Jack waking up on the rocks in the water militates against it all being Jack's pre-death imagination in 2004 because why would he imagine himself to be an analog to MIB?

Silock · 05-27-2010, 01:38 AM

I don't think it's all in Jack's head simply because Jack was originally supposed to die in the first episode, with Kate being the leader of the survivors. That wouldn't make much sense.

**Rausch** · 05-27-2010, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Edgar Allen Poe

Take this kiss upon the brow!
And, in parting from you now,
Thus much let me avow-
You are not wrong, who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day,
In a vision, or in none,
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.

I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand-
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep- while I weep!
O God! can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?

Chiefnj2 · 05-27-2010, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock

I don't think it's all in Jack's head simply because Jack was originally supposed to die in the first episode, with Kate being the leader of the survivors. That wouldn't make much sense.

It's funny you say that when Matthew Fox said he always new the show would end with his eye closing.

patteeu · 05-27-2010, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's funny you say that when Matthew Fox said he always new the show would end with his eye closing.

The concept for the show existed before Matthew Fox was involved in the project. Giving Silock's statement the benefit of the doubt, you can reconcile it with Fox's statement by assuming that the "Jack dies" plan was reconsidered and scrapped prior to the final script for the first show (and maybe even prior to Fox's involvement).

**Baby Lee** · 05-27-2010, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

The concept for the show existed before Matthew Fox was involved in the project. Giving Silock's statement the benefit of the doubt, you can reconcile it with Fox's statement by assuming that the "Jack dies" plan was reconsidered and scrapped prior to the final script for the first show (and maybe even prior to Fox's involvement).

This may [should] be common knowledge, but in case it isn't, Fox's 'Jack' was originally supposed to die in the pilot, and was supposed to be played by a major star [most closely tied to Michael Keaton]. Then they reworked Jack's character for a longer run, and Keaton didn't want to be tied to a long running show, wanted his 'me time' more than he wanted the role.

patteeu · 05-27-2010, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

This may [should] be common knowledge, but in case it isn't, Fox's 'Jack' was originally supposed to die in the pilot, and was supposed to be played by a major star [most closely tied to Michael Keaton]. Then they reworked Jack's character for a longer run, and Keaton didn't want to be tied to a long running show, wanted his 'me time' more than he wanted the role.

Thanks. Obviously it wasn't common enough knowledge for me to know about it, but I'm a few years behind the curve when it comes to pop culture so that's not saying much.

Brock · 05-27-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

This may [should] be common knowledge, but in case it isn't, Fox's 'Jack' was originally supposed to die in the pilot, and was supposed to be played by a major star [most closely tied to Michael Keaton]. Then they reworked Jack's character for a longer run, and Keaton didn't want to be tied to a long running show, wanted his 'me time' more than he wanted the role.

Thank God.

Deberg_1990 · 05-27-2010, 02:05 PM

Lost's creators explain they actually IMPROVISED!

http://scifiwire.com/2010/05/dude-it...ut-losts-c.php

Former Lost producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are acknowledging that while much of the recently concluded show's mind-bending stories and puzzle-piece arcs were mapped out from day one, other stories and arcs were the result of action-reaction or were simply winged as needed.

"It was a combination of both those things," Cuse said in an exclusive interview. "There was a big, mythic architecture which included a lot of what's in the finale, in terms of where we end the show, that we knew way back in the beginning. And then, before each season, we'd have a writers' mini-camp and spend a month without any pressure of writing other scripts, figuring out the architecture of the upcoming season. That'd sort of take the artists' rendering and turn it into blueprints, and then, during the season, episode by episode, we built the structure. We allowed ourselves a lot of flexibility to change things around as we were doing construction. It was impossible to have everything planned out, and so it was kind of built in stages."

On the phone with Cuse was his writing and producing partner Lindelof. He stressed that while everyone was thinking long-term, they had to do so without being presumptuous. After all, many a show—Lindelof cited Twin Peaks—fizzled out after a wildly successful first season. "We didn't want to be of the mindset in the first season to assume that people would want to watch the show for six years," Lindelof said. "That's a gift that the audience gave us, to be able to do the show as we did. To sit down at episode eight and start to talk about what you're going to do in the second season ... The guys doing FlashForward, for example, were being asked about the second season at the upfront last year. It's good to have a plan, but at the same time the most important plan is making the next episode really good. That's the only job that Carlton and I and everybody else on this show has ever had."

Lindelof added, "Sometimes in order to make the next episode really good you need to have an incredible superstructure and the blueprints that Carlton is referring to, but at the end of day it really wasn't until we negotiated the end date that we could sit down and in a very detailed way say, 'This is exactly what we want to do over the course of the next three years. We know exactly how many episodes we have to do, and we think people will probably watch us for another three years if we're able to execute this.'"

Now that Lost is in the history books, Lindelof is moving on to co-writing the next Star Trek feature. Cuse plans to take a break and then will seek out his next project. Meanwhile, for all the closure and answers the Lost finale provided, it also left many story threads hanging. What the heck was/is the island? Where was Walt, and what powers did he have, anyway? What did the Dharma Initiative actually want? Who built the statue, and why? In other words, there seems to be plenty more story to tell.

Cuse, asked if he'd want to be involved if Lost ever returns in some form, replied, "That's like when they interview boxers at the end of a fight and they say, 'Do you want a rematch?' and the guy is going 'No mas, no mas.' We are so exhausted ... that the only answer we can give you is that we have no plans to do anything else with the Lost franchise after this show. We're not setting it up. We didn't invent a sequel. We have no expectations that we will continue to do anything with the franchise. Right now we are viewing this as the end of our storytelling with Lost."

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Red Brooklyn Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY Casino cash: $8121398	I guess I'm one of the fortunate fans out there that was much more interested in the characters, their relationship to each other, their relationship to the island, and the question of destiny vs free will. Since I always thought the mysteries were a fun plot device and not the driving force of the experience, I've been able to walk away very fulfilled. I don't see it as a "bait and switch" in any way. For me the show was about people who were "lost" in their lives, people without direction. The island helped navagate them. The mysteries were a backdrop. I love that they didn't feel the need to answer a lot of questions that our characters weren't asking. But to each their own. I understand why people feel let down or frustrated. I'm just not one of those people.
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05-27-2010, 01:33 AM	#5827
noa Band Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $1565453	Just ventured into this thread for the first time. I watched the finale but hadn't really read anything on it since. Been too busy. I think there has to be some significance to the fact that when Jack regains consciousness after being down in the light, he is in the exact same position MIB was after Jacob threw him into the light. Not sure exactly what the meaning is though. I do think that the visual alone of Jack waking up on the rocks in the water militates against it all being Jack's pre-death imagination in 2004 because why would he imagine himself to be an analog to MIB? __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes, well, he eats you. Last edited by noa; 05-27-2010 at 07:18 AM..
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05-27-2010, 02:05 PM	#5835
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Lost's creators explain they actually IMPROVISED! http://scifiwire.com/2010/05/dude-it...ut-losts-c.php Former Lost producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are acknowledging that while much of the recently concluded show's mind-bending stories and puzzle-piece arcs were mapped out from day one, other stories and arcs were the result of action-reaction or were simply winged as needed. "It was a combination of both those things," Cuse said in an exclusive interview. "There was a big, mythic architecture which included a lot of what's in the finale, in terms of where we end the show, that we knew way back in the beginning. And then, before each season, we'd have a writers' mini-camp and spend a month without any pressure of writing other scripts, figuring out the architecture of the upcoming season. That'd sort of take the artists' rendering and turn it into blueprints, and then, during the season, episode by episode, we built the structure. We allowed ourselves a lot of flexibility to change things around as we were doing construction. It was impossible to have everything planned out, and so it was kind of built in stages." On the phone with Cuse was his writing and producing partner Lindelof. He stressed that while everyone was thinking long-term, they had to do so without being presumptuous. After all, many a show—Lindelof cited Twin Peaks—fizzled out after a wildly successful first season. "We didn't want to be of the mindset in the first season to assume that people would want to watch the show for six years," Lindelof said. "That's a gift that the audience gave us, to be able to do the show as we did. To sit down at episode eight and start to talk about what you're going to do in the second season ... The guys doing FlashForward, for example, were being asked about the second season at the upfront last year. It's good to have a plan, but at the same time the most important plan is making the next episode really good. That's the only job that Carlton and I and everybody else on this show has ever had." Lindelof added, "Sometimes in order to make the next episode really good you need to have an incredible superstructure and the blueprints that Carlton is referring to, but at the end of day it really wasn't until we negotiated the end date that we could sit down and in a very detailed way say, 'This is exactly what we want to do over the course of the next three years. We know exactly how many episodes we have to do, and we think people will probably watch us for another three years if we're able to execute this.'" Now that Lost is in the history books, Lindelof is moving on to co-writing the next Star Trek feature. Cuse plans to take a break and then will seek out his next project. Meanwhile, for all the closure and answers the Lost finale provided, it also left many story threads hanging. What the heck was/is the island? Where was Walt, and what powers did he have, anyway? What did the Dharma Initiative actually want? Who built the statue, and why? In other words, there seems to be plenty more story to tell. Cuse, asked if he'd want to be involved if Lost ever returns in some form, replied, "That's like when they interview boxers at the end of a fight and they say, 'Do you want a rematch?' and the guy is going 'No mas, no mas.' We are so exhausted ... that the only answer we can give you is that we have no plans to do anything else with the Lost franchise after this show. We're not setting it up. We didn't invent a sequel. We have no expectations that we will continue to do anything with the franchise. Right now we are viewing this as the end of our storytelling with Lost."
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