'Blurred Lines' verdict......good or bad for music?

[Deberg_1990]

Interesting......

Song was meant to be an 'homage' to a certain era and sound, but verdict was they ripped Marvin Gaye off. Will this force artists to change?

Thoughts?



A jury’s verdict that Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke copied Marvin Gaye’s music to create their hit song “Blurred Lines” won’t just be felt by the singer’s pocketbooks — it has the potential to change how musicians work and could open the door to new copyright claims.

An eight-person jury determined Tuesday that Williams and Thicke copied elements of Gaye’s 1977 hit “Got to Give It Up” and ordered the pair to pay nearly $7.4 million to the late singer’s three children.

Gaye’s daughter, Nona Gaye, wept as the verdict was read and later told reporters, “Right now, I feel free. Free from … Pharrell Williams’ and Robin Thicke’s chains and what they tried to keep on us and the lies that were told.”
The music industry may feel new constraints in the coming years as artists — and lawyers — sort through the verdict and its implications.

Howard King, lead attorney for Thicke and Williams, told jurors in closing arguments that a verdict for the Gaye family would have a chilling effect on musicians’ trying to evoke an era or create an homage to the sound of earlier musicians. Williams contended during the trial that he was only trying to mimic the “feel” of Gaye’s late 1970s music, but insisted he did not use elements of his idol’s work.

“Today’s successful verdict, with the odds more than stacked against the Marvin Gaye estate, could redefine what copyright infringement means for recording artists,” said Glen Rothstein, an intellectual property attorney with the firm Greenberg Glusker.

“The Gaye verdict is precedential in that whereas prior to today, it was generally understood that paying homage to musical influences was an acceptable, and indeed commonplace way of conducting business and even showing respect for one’s musical idols, after today, doubt has been cast on where the line will be drawn for copyright infringement purposes,” Rothstein said.

The Gaye family will seek an injunction against “Blurred Lines,” which will give them leverage to negotiate for royalties and other concessions such as songwriting credits.
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Music copyright trials are rare, but allegations that a song copies another artist’s work are common. Recently, singers Sam Smith and Tom Petty reached an agreement that conferred songwriting credit to Petty on Smith’s song, “Stay With Me.” The agreement was reached because Smith’s song resembled Petty’s hit “I Won’t Back Down.”

“Unfortunately, today’s jury verdict has blurred the lines between protectable elements of a musical composition and the unprotectable musical style or groove exemplified by Marvin Gaye,” said Larry Iser, an intellectual property lawyer who has represented numerous musicians, including Jackson Browne and David Byrne, in music copyright cases.

“Although Gaye was the Prince of Soul, he didn’t own a copyright to the genre, and Thicke and Williams’ homage to the feel of Marvin Gaye is not infringing.”
King, who also represents numerous musicians, said record labels are going to become more reluctant to release music that’s similar to other works.

“This is going to make them more conservative, and less likely that you’re going to have new music,” King said.

That assertion was mocked by Richard Busch, the lead attorney for the Gaye family.
“While Mr. Williams’ lawyer suggested in his closing argument that the world would come to an end, and music would cease to exist if they were found liable, I still see the sun shining. I still see the wind blowing, and I still see the clouds in the sky. The world has not come to an end,” Busch said after the verdict. “The music industry will go on.”
So too will Williams’ career, said Joe Levy, editor-at-large at Billboard.
“For Pharrell the story moves on,” Levy said. “It will move on quickly.”

Williams is a seven-time Grammy Award winner whose songs he’s either performed or produced have sold more than 100 million copies worldwide. His hit “Happy” has helped make him a household name, as has his work as a judge on NBC’s music competition show, “The Voice.”

Feminists have criticized Williams for producing “Blurred Lines,” which they say promotes rape culture.

“It’s much to Pharrell’s advantage that he is at a high point in his career,” Levy said.
Thicke’s career may have more issues as a result of Tuesday’s verdict, since “Blurred Lines” was a global hit and his follow-up effort failed to connect with audiences, Levy said.
Levy said that while the verdict will likely make musicians and record labels more cautious, it won’t stop artists from using others’ works as inspiration.

“Are people going to stop writing songs inspired in homage to what’s come before? I don’t think so,” he said.

Levy said the size of the judgment for the Gaye family was surprising, as well as the fact the case even went this far.

“I think the biggest surprise here is this case didn’t have to move to trial,” he said. “Many cases of this nature are brought and either dismissed or settle.”

Despite the verdict, Levy predicted that “Blurred Lines” will continue to make plenty of money for Williams, Thicke and in all likelihood the Gaye family.

“People aren’t going to stop playing it,” Levy said, adding that it will one day achieve a nostalgic status that other artists’ songs now have. “It’s not just going to disappear.”


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[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

FXD.

Arent those the refs who ****ed us out of a win in SD 2 years ago??

[Archie F. Swin]

extremely bad....extremely bad

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And this is the exact reason why an appeal will be successful.

I was thinking this could be a good point to use. I was really surprised at that.
It's like trying to describe a work of visual art, and showing a section to get a judgement.

[Huffman83]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think the verdict is complete horseshit and had better overturned on appeal.

The "Letter of the Law" is Lyric and Melody. The two songs do not share the same melody or notes, nor do they share the same words or lyrics.

Pharrell and Thicke have said they wanted to capture the "vibe" of the song, which relates to the production (instrumentation, mic'ing, reverb, mix, overall sound) and I believe that was the catalyst for this ruling.

What the Gaye family has tried to say, and to the heart of this ruling, is that Marvin Gaye not only wrote songs, he's responsible for an entire GENRE of music.

This opens the door to all kinds of legal mess. Eddie Van Halen could sue about 50 80's bands because they used modified Marshall's, Strat guitars with humbucking pickups and a Floyd Rose. Black Sabbath could sue just about anyone that's ever picked up a Les Paul or SG and a Marshall and had a career.

It's completely and utterly asinine. I've discussed this with many of my friends that are VP and higher in the music business and everyone is stunned.

Dane...Black Sabbath used Laneys. Geez!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Arent those the refs who ****ed us out of a win in SD 2 years ago??

Nice.

[ptlyon]

I just hope vanilla ice is next on the block

[eDave]

Zeppelin next:

Back in May, family members of Spirit frontman Randy Craig Wolfe (a.k.a Randy California) filed the suit against Zeppelin, seeking monetary damages and a writing credit for the now-deceased Wolfe, NBC Philadelphia reports. Wolfe’s family claims that Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page ripped off the chords for “Stairway to Heaven” from Spirit’s 1968 tune “Taurus.” (The two bands at one point toured together and had thus become familiar with each other’s music.)

http://time.com/3528555/led-zeppelin...eaven-lawsuit/

[Discuss Thrower]

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[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

I just hope vanilla ice is next on the block

Already settled.

Vanilla Ice vs Queen & Bowie

Vanilla Ice became a household word for a while, not because of his talent, but because of the copyright infringement that occured in 1990 when it came to light that he had sampled Queen and David Bowie’s “Under Pressure” without consent or license. Ice Ice Baby hit number one on the charts in the United States and Vanilla Ice became the one ‘under pressure’. Vanilla Ice altered the rhythm of the baseline thinking he would thereby avoid any question of credit, royalties, license or even permission. This case never went to court as it was clear that Vanilla Ice had stolen the sample without permission. He settled out of court with Queen and David Bowie for an undisclosed but very likely very high amount. Ice Ice Baby has been released in many different versions, since then, with all of the legal procedures followed.

http://www.fairwagelawyers.com/most-...fringment.html

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by eDave

Zeppelin next:

Back in May, family members of Spirit frontman Randy Craig Wolfe (a.k.a Randy California) filed the suit against Zeppelin, seeking monetary damages and a writing credit for the now-deceased Wolfe, NBC Philadelphia reports. Wolfe’s family claims that Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page ripped off the chords for “Stairway to Heaven” from Spirit’s 1968 tune “Taurus.” (The two bands at one point toured together and had thus become familiar with each other’s music.)

http://time.com/3528555/led-zeppelin...eaven-lawsuit/

They'll have a tough case against Zeppelin.

Once again, the law of the land is Lyric and Melody. You can have the same exact chord progession, which is why Blues music exists, as long as the melody and lyrics are different.

I have no doubt the Gaye verdict will be overturned.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They'll have a tough case against Zeppelin.

Once again, the law of the land is Lyric and Melody. You can have the same exact chord progession, which is why Blues music exists, as long as the melody and lyrics are different.

I have no doubt the Gaye verdict will be overturned.

I just lstened to the tune by spirit..that's a pretty weak case...considering STH is six minutes long with a blistering solo....the spirit tune almost put me to sleep....

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Already settled. http://www.fairwagelawyers.com/most-...fringment.html

That was settled decades ago.

The link you provided listed the George Harrison case but failed to mention the best part of his copyright infringement case which pitted Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" vs. The Chiffon's "He's So Fine".

While Harrison lost the case and was ordered to pay in excess of $500k, shortly thereafter purchased the Chiffon's publishing company.

[MahiMike]

I never once listened to that song and thought of Marvin Gaye.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

I never once listened to that song and thought of Marvin Gaye.

iI've always thought of the show Good Times

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

I never once listened to that song and thought of Marvin Gaye.

And I don't mean any disrespect by saying this but if the majority of average listeners don't hear the difference, the plaintiff's should not have won.